International riots and protests, for and against Hamas/Israel

[Kraut and Tea]

Clashes erupted in Paris Sunday as thousands protested against Israel and in support of residents of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, where almost a week of Israeli air strikes in response to Hamas rocket attacks have left at least 166 Palestinians dead.

http://www.france24.com/en/20140714-...-palestinians/

No wonder France is one of the most antisemetic countries in Europe.

Those barbarians actualy tried to storm synagoges!!!!!!!!!

Can you imagine what headlines it would make arround the world if a bunch of fascist Arab thugs would attempt to storm a synagoge here in Germany!!!????

And when it happens in France, everyone just looks away!

I wonder how long the French will put up with this?! They dont seem to care about the rise of antisemitism in their country and forgot the massacre of jewish kids in Toulouse seemingly fast.

[pajomife]

France,as England or any European country with large Muslim community don't have any chance to avoid the antisemitism,they almost rule the streets and even if they made big riots those countries governments don't have guts to repress this people.The west governments are terrorized with a Muslim insurgency in theirs cities.

[justicar5]

France,as England or any European country with large Muslim community don't have any chance to avoid the antisemitism,they almost rule the streets and even if they made big riots those countries governments don't have guts to repress this people.The west governments are terrorized with a Muslim insurgency in theirs cities.

hahahahaha...seriously Catholics have been and remain a clear and present danger in the UK, far more dangerous than muslims, both via the religiously motivated IRA and it's splinters, and the 'faith schools' spilling out filth and hatred, other Christian fundamentalists groups are also becoming more dangerous.

[Mayer]

Firstly what has a irish independence guerilla to do with fundamentalism? Secondly can you cite any of these dangerous christian fundamentalist groups in the UK you are talking about?

[justicar5]

Firstly what has a irish independence guerilla to do with fundamentalism? Secondly can you cite any of these dangerous christian fundamentalist groups in the UK you are talking about?

Irish terror groups are engaged in a religous as well as political war, Catholic Vs Protestant, it has calmed down, but still kill more than Muslim terror does, on their own.


As for dangerous Christian groups, just look at the 'faith schools' with their anti-science, and anti-civil liberties 'education'

[Mayer]

Irish terror groups are engaged in a religous as well as political war, Catholic Vs Protestant, it has calmed down, but still kill more than Muslim terror does, on their own.

"More civilians are killed every three months by Islamic terrorists than died in the entire 36 years of the Northern Ireland "Troubles." In fact, 19 Muslim radicals killed far more innocent people in just two hours on September 11th than the number of non-combatants killed over Northern Ireland in three and a half decades.

As far as body counts from sectarian violence goes, the Muslim world has far more to offer up than the mere ten to fifteen people who were killed each month on average before the Belfast Agreement in 1998. Take the Iraq-Iran war, for example... or can we?

In fact, not all violence in the Islamic world is necessarily about religion. Certainly Muslims wage Jihad to spread their religion, and many die in true sectarian violence, but neither are their leaders above starting conflicts for the same territorial and political reasons that other countries do on occasion. Likewise, the Northern Ireland conflict may not have been about religion either. Was it truly a sectarian war, in the same way that Sunnis and Shiites violently bump heads for no other reason? Or was religion largely incidental to differences that were predominantly economic and political?

To be fair, religious sectarianism has played a role in the historical tension between the Irish and English. For centuries, Catholics were victims of institutionalized discrimination, and it would certainly be hard to argue that the brutal Puritan invasion under Oliver Cromwell wasn't motivated in part by religious hatred. However, this was several centuries prior to the violence of the late 20th century.

Northern Ireland was provisioned as a separate territory in 1922. This point of contention between England and the Republic of Ireland turned habitually violent in 1969 with the formation of the IRA (Irish Republican Army), a terror group that was considered to be the armed wing of the Sinn Fein political party, which supports Irish nationalism and Marxist ideology. The violence abated in the mid-1990's with an agreement between the sides.

Although it's popular to think of this chapter in the conflict as Catholic versus Protestant, it is also simplistic and misleading. Historians and political scientists prefer to describe the two sides with words like Nationalist, Republican, Ulster, Loyalist and Unionist. Sectarian divisions often did not hold up. Protestants were found on both sides of the conflict, for example, and there were notable Catholics who remained loyal to England.

The IRA did not have a Biblical charter. In fact, they were a Marxist-atheist organization. Neither did the British government have religious motives, nor any of the other major groups. There were some smaller, radical groups that used the language of religious purity, but they were relatively obscure. The issue for the "Catholic" factions was Irish nationalism, and for the "Protestants" it was self-preservation and an end to the violence. Only a very small minority of the citizens in Northern Ireland actually participated in the conflict, although the grief was spread among many."
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Ar.../IRA-Islam.htm

As for dangerous Christian groups, just look at the 'faith schools' with their anti-science, and anti-civil liberties 'education'

Creationism is a insulting piece of pseudoscience, however i haven't heard it killing people or discriminating women

[General Retreat]

I'd actually argue that by rioting in Paris, those Arabs are demonstrating how they're assimilating with the cultural norms of the locals...

It is a bit of a municipal hobby out there.

[Mayer]

I don't think Israel is without blame, after all we are talking about a military conflict with no israeli killed in action and dozens of dead palestinian civilians.
Anyway Marine Le Pen will most likely become the next president and then we won't see much muslim radicalism on the streets anymore.

[HannibalExMachina]

I don't think Israel is without blame, after all we are talking about a military conflict with no israeli killed in action and dozens of dead palestinian civilians.
Anyway Marine Le Pen will most likely become the next president and then we won't see much muslim radicalism on the streets anymore.

and the french will have replaced banlieu facists with elysee facists, what a trade.

[Holger Danske]

I don't think Israel is without blame, after all we are talking about a military conflict with no israeli killed in action and dozens of dead palestinian civilians.
Anyway Marine Le Pen will most likely become the next president and then we won't see much muslim radicalism on the streets anymore.

What a ing lame argument!

Hamas has since the last major conflict regularly attacked Israel with rockets and this has only one goal: to piss off the Israelis enough to go into Gaza in force.
Pallywood takes care of the rest, and a sad large part of the world is too ing stupid to see this. If you want to blame anyone for all these casualties, blame Hamas and their use of humans to protect their weapons!

[PointOfViewGun]

What a ing lame argument!
Hamas has since the last major conflict regularly attacked Israel with rockets and this has only one goal: to piss off the Israelis enough to go into Gaza in force.
Pallywood takes care of the rest, and a sad large part of the world is too ing stupid to see this. If you want to blame anyone for all these casualties, blame Hamas and their use of humans to protect their weapons!

I take it Israeli colonization of , mass arrests and continuous killing of civilians in West Bank are fairy tales?

[Maiar93]

I take it Israeli colonization of , mass arrests and continuous killing of civilians in West Bank are fairy tales?

Then again it's not like they want to kill children and women and civilians in general, if they really wanted to then they would have killed them all already. They have the capacity to do it quite easily. Unlike Hamas rocketing public civilian areas with all they've got.

[Toho]

Then again it's not like they want to kill children and women and civilians in general, if they really wanted to then they would have killed them all already. They have the capacity to do it quite easily. Unlike Hamas rocketing public civilian areas with all they've got.

the argument is not that Israel is committing a genocide because if they wanted to they could totally do that but at the same time alienate every country in the world.

the argument is Israel does not care what they hit.
they hit some Hamas locations but then target various infrastructures beyond repair.

Israel levels entire buildings for weapons that barely make a pothole in the ground.


there is only two possible conclusions:
1) either the IDF is an incredibly incompetent military force
2) Israel does not care about casualties or where they strike.

[PointOfViewGun]

Then again it's not like they want to kill children and women and civilians in general, if they really wanted to then they would have killed them all already. They have the capacity to do it quite easily. Unlike Hamas rocketing public civilian areas with all they've got.

Except Israel can't do that so openly. If they did then they'd face much more real international pressure. That's why you have the Israeli army lying its guts off to paint civilians targets as Hamas targets. Instead, they keep the conflict alive to take the pressure off from colonization of West Bank and to keep it as a pretext for treatment of Arab Israeli citizens.

[Holger Danske]

I take it Israeli colonization of , mass arrests and continuous killing of civilians in West Bank are fairy tales?

Have I said they were? Seems like you're simply using that as a justification for indiscriminate violence on Hamas side and somehow think any other nation would react differently if constantly attacked. I won't defend the retarded settlers, but I wont settle for them being a justification for firing rockets randomly at civilian targets (using civilians as shield in the process) for the sole purpose of pissing off Isreal enough to do what they're doing right now. Mass arrest are simply the unfortunate biproduct of being surrounded by rabid people that wish to see you destroyed and gladly would blow themselves up if they can take you with them.

As for blockading, maybe you should be hating on your fellow believers in Egypt as well for their own little blockade of Gaza.. Or maybe that's perfectly fine because they aren't Jews?

The real problem is Hamas, and as long as they're in power things won't change for the better in Gaza. They need to be disarmed so that the progressive parties can be restored and serious diplomacy can continue. Once we're there it will be up to Israel to deliver (stop the settlers)

As for the rioters in France. Idiots. They support an organization that holds Gaza as hostage and uses the population to protect what weapons they have.. although it seems like Pallywood is their most effective "weapon".

[PointOfViewGun]

Have I said they were? Seems like you're simply using that as a justification for indiscriminate violence on Hamas side and somehow think any other nation would react differently if constantly attacked. I won't defend the retarded settlers, but I wont settle for them being a justification for firing rockets randomly at civilian targets (using civilians as shield in the process) for the sole purpose of pissing off Isreal enough to do what they're doing right now. Mass arrest are simply the unfortunate biproduct of being surrounded by rabid people that wish to see you destroyed and gladly would blow themselves up if they can take you with them.

As for blockading, maybe you should be hating on your fellow believers in Egypt as well for their own little blockade of Gaza.. Or maybe that's perfectly fine because they aren't Jews?

The real problem is Hamas, and as long as they're in power things won't change for the better in Gaza. They need to be disarmed so that the progressive parties can be restored and serious diplomacy can continue. Once we're there it will be up to Israel to deliver (stop the settlers)

As for the rioters in France. Idiots. They support an organization that holds Gaza as hostage and uses the population to protect what weapons they have.. although it seems like Pallywood is their most effective "weapon".

Did you not call for Hamas to be blamed for all this? You can't simply ignore facts in the field to shift the blame.

I'm not justifying Hamas's means of retaliating but I am justifying their need to do something. No other nation would be able to play the victim while being attacked for colonizing a separate state.

The logic you use it best is despicable. Mass arresting Palestinians for no real reason, or shooting down armed and nonthreatening Palestinian civilians, or continuing to colonize West Bank is not a byproduct of anything.

I don't remember mentioning the blockade. I could at least partially understand it as a retaliation against rocket fire, though it's hard to figure why they banned chocolate, jam or other such items were banned between 2007 and 2010...

I seriously don't know what would lead anyone to have such a twisted take at the conflict.

As for the rioters in France? The article in the opening does not mention any support for Hamas.

The repetition of human shields claim is getting really old...

Amnesty International, for its part, did not find evidence that Hamas or other Palestinian groups violated the laws of war to the extent repeatedly alleged by Israel. In particular, it found no evidence that Hamas or other fighters directed the movement of civilians to shield military objectives from attacks. By contrast, Amnesty International did find that Israeli forces on several occasions during Operation “Cast Lead” forced Palestinian civilians to serve as “human shields”. In any event, international humanitarian law makes clear that use of “human shields” by one party does not release the attacking party from its legal obligations with respect to civilians.

[mishkin]

Those barbarians actualy tried to storm synagoges!!!!!!!!!

Source?

Btw, that article does not mention the nationality or ethnicity of the demonstrators (your say "arabs"). Maybe you should change the title to "Frenchs in France riot in support for Hamas". Or you should completely change the title, because they arent either rioting or supporting Hamas imo

[Roma_Victrix]

Anyone with the capacity for empathy feels for the civilian casualties caused by Israel's bombing campaign, but warfare is a two-way street. The Palestinians are also launching rockets into Israel, albeit ones that are immediately targeted and shot down by the Iron Dome anti-missile system.

As for the street protests in Paris and elsewhere in France, they seem peaceful enough despite the occasional random stuff thrown on riot police. That sort of thing always seems to happen in Paris anyway. If people want to march to raise awareness, so be it. Let them march. I don't see any evidence of them storming synagogues, though. That would be ridiculous reprisals against fellow French (Jewish) citizens who aren't even from Israel, but born and bred in France. It would be just as stupid if French Jews started attacking people of Palestinian descent living in France.

[sabaku_no_gaara]

Anyone with the capacity for empathy feels for the civilian casualties caused by Israel's bombing campaign, but warfare is a two-way street. The Palestinians are also launching rockets into Israel, albeit ones that are immediately targeted and shot down by the Iron Dome anti-missile system.

As for the street protests in Paris and elsewhere in France, they seem peaceful enough despite the occasional random stuff thrown on riot police. That sort of thing always seems to happen in Paris anyway. If people want to march to raise awareness, so be it. Let them march. I don't see any evidence of them storming synagogues, though. That would be ridiculous reprisals against fellow French (Jewish) citizens who aren't even from Israel, but born and bred in France. It would be just as stupid if French Jews started attacking people of Palestinian descent living in France.

I don't know man, I'm capable of empathy, but I feel nothing for the Palestinians, or any other Arab for that matter, Since the other Arab countries are only using them as an excuse to be angry at Israël, if the Arabs really want to help their Palestinian brothers, why don't they take them in to their countries and provide from them? They make enough money from sucking us dry at the gas station the filthy rich parasites, so why don't they spend their vast amounts of money on providing a decent life for their Palestinian brothers? Instead of on golden rolexes, insane building projects, and 50 Lamborghini's in their personal palace garages?

[tarvu]

I don't know man, I'm capable of empathy, but I feel nothing for the Palestinians, or any other Arab for that matter, Since the other Arab countries are only using them as an excuse to be angry at Israël, if the Arabs really want to help their Palestinian brothers, why don't they take them in to their countries and provide from them? They make enough money from sucking us dry at the gas station the filthy rich parasites, so why don't they spend their vast amounts of money on providing a decent life for their Palestinian brothers? Instead of on golden rolexes, insane building projects, and 50 Lamborghini's in their personal palace garages?

I don't know "man", are you sure you are capable of empathy? Are you sure that kind of bigoted rant wouldn't be more at home on stormfront.

Thanks for letting us all know why you feel nothing for these people. It certainly affects my opinion of someone.