Is it fair to compare modded Rome 1 to unmodded Rome 2?

[warman222]

Yeah I agree with the above two posts. People need to stop looking at older games with nostalgia vision and/or their memories. You'll be surprised by how much you forget. For instance some of the criticisms I've found for Rome 2 have always been in older TW games. Like the blobbing thing, I've seen that happen in modded and unmodded Rome 1 and Medieval 2 games. The tendency for defending siege AI to cluster in the central square has always been a problem in Total War games. That's just off the top of my head. I sometimes think that people especially on social media and the main TW forums about Rome 2 just to sound cool. Because many of the haters said they haven't played in a while but still complain like they're still playing. If nothing else, don't go by your memories when comparing games because I mean this in the nicest way possible, but your memories suck.

[baptistus]

Yeah I agree with the above two posts. People need to stop looking at older games with nostalgia vision and/or their memories. You'll be surprised by how much you forget. For instance some of the criticisms I've found for Rome 2 have always been in older TW games. Like the blobbing thing, I've seen that happen in modded and unmodded Rome 1 and Medieval 2 games. The tendency for defending siege AI to cluster in the central square has always been a problem in Total War games. That's just off the top of my head. I sometimes think that people especially on social media and the main TW forums about Rome 2 just to sound cool. Because many of the haters said they haven't played in a while but still complain like they're still playing. If nothing else, don't go by your memories when comparing games because I mean this in the nicest way possible, but your memories suck.

yep, instant transports, torches, army limits, no diplomat, no "give a region", no watch towers, no road building ect.... all these things come from bad memory and nostalgia from haters who want to looks cool (and of course people who love rome 2 are great people with great argument as "the graphic of rome 2 are better " ...)
you can like or don't like the feature of rome 2 or rome1, but pleeeeeeease, stop with this stupid argument of the "pink glasses" every time someone say something old is better than something new.

[Gigantus]

I think discussing the author of the OP instead of the OP is enough now.

Closed.

[FieryMastermind]

Fair? - Maybe, maybe not.
Expected? - Yes!

I think in respect of the modding community it is fair to compare a modded Rome 1 to a vanilla Rome 2 because CA had the chance to learn from what the community wanted and what they praised too. I remember how they praised Roma Surrectum or EB.
Unfortunately they did not learn from those mods. This is forgiveable but they do not even consider to learn from the current mods solving some issues with the game - and this is quite stubborn.

I think this sums up pretty much why people do compare Rome 1 with mods to Rome 2, and why it is expected. Modders don't really get paid full time either as opposed to CA devs, so comparing old community made mods made by a handful of people, who barley get paid (I'm sure they get donations from fans) to full time game devs is not really fair to the modders!

Besides, the only things these two games share is the time period and game series. Otherwise they are completely different games content wise.

[LestaT]

Fair? - Maybe, maybe not.
Expected? - Yes!



I think this sums up pretty much why people do compare Rome 1 with mods to Rome 2, and why it is expected. Modders don't really get paid full time either as opposed to CA devs, so comparing old community made mods made by a handful of people, who barley get paid (I'm sure they get donations from fans) to full time game devs is not really fair to the modders!

Besides, the only things these two games share is the time period and game series. Otherwise they are completely different games content wise.

Being a modder himself (for both games) I have a different view altogether. We modders have an easy task in which we already have a platform to create and develop mods, where we already have a complete (subjective, I know) product and then see what we like and what we don't like and then think of how we can make it more to our likings, the way we want it to be played. It's still subject to game engine limitation no matter how great or dumb our mods are.

There's no financial risks whether our mod is downloaded by 1 person or 1,000,000 people which is irrelevant to me. Those 'new' features that you see in mods are actually not something created from the grounds up but base on exiting and sometimes not use features in the original game for various reasons know to developers. Whether get paid or not is immaterial as if modders expected to get paid then they better off apply for actual position in game developers or like some, create their own game.

[Sebidee]

Being a modder himself (for both games) I have a different view altogether. We modders have an easy task in which we already have a platform to create and develop mods, where we already have a complete (subjective, I know) product and then see what we like and what we don't like and then think of how we can make it more to our likings, the way we want it to be played. It's still subject to game engine limitation no matter how great or dumb our mods are.

There's no financial risks whether our mod is downloaded by 1 person or 1,000,000 people which is irrelevant to me. Those 'new' features that you see in mods are actually not something created from the grounds up but base on exiting and sometimes not use features in the original game for various reasons know to developers. Whether get paid or not is immaterial as if modders expected to get paid then they better off apply for actual position in game developers or like some, create their own game.

My sentiment exactly. As a modder myself I can say that what we do is pretty easy in comparison to actual game studios. But that is not really the point of the poll. The question is not whether CA should have copied the modders (which is ridiculous, since when do professionals follow amateurs?) the question is whether Rome 1 base game + tons of stuff = Just Rome 2 base game. Obviously it shouldn't, Rome 1 vanilla should be compared with Rome 2 vanilla and Rome 1 mods should be compared to Rome 2 mods. There is absolutely no overlap.

[LestaT]

My sentiment exactly. As a modder myself I can say that what we do is pretty easy in comparison to actual game studios. But that is not really the point of the poll. The question is not whether CA should have copied the modders (which is ridiculous, since when do professionals follow amateurs?) the question is whether Rome 1 base game + tons of stuff = Just Rome 2 base game. Obviously it shouldn't, Rome 1 vanilla should be compared with Rome 2 vanilla and Rome 1 mods should be compared to Rome 2 mods. There is absolutely no overlap.

I wouldn't even compared vanilla, just like I never compared between STW with TWS2 and certainly not between MTW and M2TW. I will not do the same between RTW and TWR2. Each are different games on their own. It' certainly difficult due to nostalgia but I'm adult enough to understand that time moves and and if I want to play RTW and mods I will just simply play them without having to expect TWR2 to be like RTW.