The Plataean League Delegation to Corinth

[Ace_General]

A delegation from the newly minted Plataean league arrives at Corinth, capital of the Achaean league and requests to speak with the League leadership

[Lucius Malfoy]

Gonna roll if they will accept your request to speak with their leader.

Range: 10/20
Modifiers: +2 for Plataean League's strength, -1 for already saying no to the invitation, -1 for Achaia's neutrality
New Range: 10/20 (1 - 10, Accept; 11 - 20; Not Accepted)
Result: 2, the Achaian leadership openly and graciously accepts the approach of the Plataean League.

The Corinthians call forth an assembly of the city-states of Achaia for an emergency session. The Achaen League, a successor to the fallen Hellenistic League, is brought forth with the leader being the ruler of Corinth.

[Ace_General]

OOCK isnt 1-10 acceptance of the talks, and 11-20 not accepted?

[Lucius Malfoy]

OOCK isnt 1-10 acceptance of the talks, and 11-20 not accepted?

Whoops misread my own words, adjusting. This clearly shows I have been doing too many rolls...

[Ace_General]

So instead teh Corinthians Enthusiastically reccieve my delegation?

[Lucius Malfoy]

Yes they do

[Lucius Malfoy]

Still need you to speak up and convince them, Ace

[Ace_General]

Demothenes walks into the middle of the assembly hall and has copies of 3 sets of documents sent to all of the delegations of the city states of Achaea

The Athenian statesmen begin

I present you to you two great triumphs and one threat in these documents that are passed around. The first is a copy of the text of the treaty signed with the Macedonians. With no blood shed and the stroke of a pen, we have ended the Macedonian domination over Greece and ended the puppet Peloponesian League and we are free to conduct our affairs without the threat of Macedonian interference and we have it in writing. And this is no follow agreement, for we have an army of 14,000 free Greeks encamped and fortified in northern Thessaly not a weeks march from Pella, instead of Macedonian Garrisons in our cities. And I swear, before Zeus and Athena and all the gods, that while I do not seek unessacary bloodshed with Macedon, as long as I draw breath, their troops shall not pollute the soil of Hellas.

Brothers, while some of you are to young to remember, but I remember the days of Phillip and I have bled for Greek freedom at the battlefields of Chaeronea and Crocus and I say

The Oarator draws his hand in the air and slams it down on the podium to underline the point

Never Again! Never again shall we be forced to submit to Macedonian dominance and be treated like Metics in our own country. Never Again!

Demothenes walks a and collects his thoughts and says

Now, brothers, I beseech you to join our Union of Plataea. The next set of document you will see is letters of support and encouragement for your joining of the League from the Thessalians, Atticans, Rhodians, and Aegaean Poli. They joined when the threat of a Macedonian response to our declaration of independence was very real, but now, for you my brothers, that is a moot point

Finally, the third set of documents is a grave matter. The first papyrus speaks of how the Macedonian kings in the north face a great host of vicious thracians, who murdered our envoys by the way, who slightly outnumber them. And even more gravely, a equally large host of Barbarian Celtoi of over 30,000 warriors and 100,000 people shall sweep south into Macedon.

In light of this brothers, I say us Greeks must band together for our common defense, for if we stand seperatly, we shall be overwhelmed, weather it be by Thracians, Celtoi, or the Macedonians or another one of Alexanders vulgar successors.

Brothers, hear me, I ask that you join us in the Union of Plataea, not just to secure the gains of freedom and independence I have won from the Macedonians for all Greeks, but also to protect your very persons, homes, and families from the multitutes of Barbarians bearing down on us. Remember my brothers, Greece unitied can withstand any force man may bring against us, like in the Glorious Persian wars.


OOC: That should do it, and if there is a roll, I should get hefty advantages for the strength of the league, the barbarian threat, and the fact that the Peloponesian league has been ended(which would be a great blow for macedonian prestige, and also, given the agreement, presence of the Greek Army in Thessaly, and the barbarian threat, almost not threat of a Macedonian military response)

[Lucius Malfoy]

Here are your modifiers for when I do the roll.
- +2 for League's strength
- +1 for Demotheneses's speech and promises
- -1 for present neutrality
- -1 for already declining to join previously

The Celtic and Thracian threat is too far away to matter to Achaia. Also it was the League of Corinth and it would not result in a negative or positive modifier.

Now did the speech and promises of the Plataean League convince the Achaens?

Range: 10/20
Modifiers: (Stated above)
New Range: 11/20 (1 - 11, Accept; 12 - 14, Neutral, 15 - 20; Not Accepted)
Result: 12, Neutral

Like the Thessalians, the Achaens would have liked to enjoy their independence longer. For they were truly trading one overlord for another, whether it was Greek, Macedonian or any other. The assembly of those in Corinth began to murmur among one another. Voices could be heard demanding the League's withdraw from their interests while others did want to join, but were concerned that this would be trading one overlord for just another. Plus, all the threats present to the League were too far away to concern those of the Peloponnese.

[Ace_General]

OOCL I guess I accept it, though the Neutrality (I.E. not wanting to anger the Macedonians) would essentially be a non issue here

[Lucius Malfoy]

OOCL I guess I accept it, though the Neutrality (I.E. not wanting to anger the Macedonians) would essentially be a non issue here

OOC: Neutrality in the sense of what happened with Epirus, they want to keep their independence and not align with either Leonnatus or Cleitus. Whereas Epirus though is still Pro-Macedonian, the Achaian area will still keep its neutral attitude. Its too far south to have it change to Pro-Macedonian like with Epirus.

I will recommend giving it another year before trying again.

[Ace_General]

OOC: Fair enough, Another year,

Question, if the Thracians or Celts defeat the Macedonian Army but dont enter greece proper, would I get a postive modifier?

[Lucius Malfoy]

OOC: Fair enough, Another year,

Question, if the Thracians or Celts defeat the Macedonian Army but dont enter greece proper, would I get a postive modifier?

OOC: Not really. Don't see why they would. It would result in a massive negative because of the presence of a barbarian force that could strike south at any moment.

[Ace_General]

OOC: Not really. Don't see why they would. It would result in a massive negative because of the presence of a barbarian force that could strike south at any moment.

Why would that be a negative? Wouldnt they want instead to have the protection of the league army?

[Lucius Malfoy]

Why would that be a negative? Wouldnt they want instead to have the protection of the league army?

Depends on the league's military size compared to the Celts and Thracians. If the league can truly protect them or if they feel they need it, then yeah. But think about this, if they join and the League is suddenly under a state of war and losing, the Achaians may look to save their own skins than go down with the League. It just really depends on a lot of factors that will surface eventually.