New spawn generals having no name.

[leo.civil.uefs]

CTD in campaign map in TATW right after I click turn end.


The last lines of the log says:

22:32:46.916 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <sitting_around_town_with_taverns> fired
22:32:46.916 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <governing6> fired
22:32:47.173 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

I deleted the trigger from export_descr_character_traits.txt but the CTD stills, and the log changed to:

22:32:46.916 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <sitting_around_town_with_taverns> fired
22:32:46.916 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <governing7> fired
22:32:47.173 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

So I have deleted all those triggers in a row (from governing6 to governing21, thats all) and then the CTD does not happen anymore.

It seems the trait itself is properly set in the file:

;------------------------------------------
Trait StrategyChivalry
    Characters family
    AntiTraits StrategyDread


    Level Fair_in_Rule
        Description Fair_in_Rule_desc
        EffectsDescription Fair_in_Rule_effects_desc
        Threshold  1 


        Effect Chivalry  1 


    Level Noble_in_Rule
        Description Noble_in_Rule_desc
        EffectsDescription Noble_in_Rule_effects_desc
        Threshold  2 


        Effect Chivalry  2 


    Level Chivalrous_in_Rule
        Description Chivalrous_in_Rule_desc
        EffectsDescription Chivalrous_in_Rule_effects_desc
        Threshold  4 


        Effect Chivalry  3 
        Effect Authority  1 


    Level Honourable_Ruler
        Description Honourable_Ruler_desc
        EffectsDescription Honourable_Ruler_effects_desc
        Epithet Honourable_Ruler_epithet_desc
        Threshold  8 


        Effect Chivalry  4 
        Effect Authority  2 


    Level Saintly_Ruler
        Description Saintly_Ruler_desc
        EffectsDescription Saintly_Ruler_effects_desc
        Epithet Saintly_Ruler_epithet_desc
        Threshold  16 


        Effect Chivalry  5 
        Effect Authority  3 






;------------------------------------------

[makanyane]

Epithets again?

if the trigger is getting someone to one of the higher levels and they don't have a name? Or if the text file for epithet is missing...

[Zarathos]

No, the epithet is ok. Maybe an overflow of traits?

[Aikanár]

How many trait levels did the triggers made the character gain and how many trait levels did he already posses?

[leo.civil.uefs]

Ok guys... herm...

There is two general without name in my crashing campaign ...

Point is, they were spawn during the campaign and the text files seem to be ok, any possible cause?

By the way I added some new regions in my sub-mod but never edited the descr_regions_and_settlement_name_lookup.txt file, is it a problem?

[Withwnar]

they were spawn during the campaign and the text files seem to be ok

Surely it must mean that either they were spawned using a name that does not belong to that faction (descr_names.txt) or the name isn't in names.txt.

[Zarathos]

What is the current turn?

[leo.civil.uefs]

142

[makanyane]

Are you using random_name anywhere?

I don't think it's advisable except for captain garrisons in desc strat.

[leo.civil.uefs]

Surely it must mean that either they were spawned using a name that does not belong to that faction (descr_names.txt)

How it is possible? Why would the engine be taking a name from another faction?

or the name isn't in names.txt.

The changes in my sub-mod related wih names are:

-Adding 4 new names for some generals of my new faction (a new dwarven faction)
-Creating a new section for random names for this faction in descr_names.txt, wich consists in nothing but just taking the exactly same names from the vanila dwarven faction and copy+paste.

Are you using random_name anywhere?

I don't think it's advisable except for captain garrisons in desc strat.

Im only using it for slave captains }(all them garrisoned I think).



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So, maybe this is because Im usng exactly the same names from the vanilla dwarven faction into my new faction? It could cause a conflict or something.


????

[Withwnar]

Surely it must mean that either they were spawned using a name that does not belong to that faction (descr_names.txt)

How it is possible? Why would the engine be taking a name from another faction?

I meant by you using a name in descr_strat or campaign_script that either does not exist at all in descr_names or does but not for the faction in question.

For the record: random_name is perfectly fine in campaign_script, for both spawn_army and spawn_character.

[makanyane]

you could try checking your names are set up OK with something like
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downl...o=file&id=3493


EDIT; other quick check is try to get into the Battle Editor - it'll CTD if there's a descr_names entry that isn't in names.txt

EDIT2; and check the campaign_script - it might not be something you've just changed, but could be a spawn that only happens sometimes...

EDIT3!; actually random_name for spawn_army in campaign_script seems to work OK - but if you use it in descr_strat for named characters or captains outside a settlement you definitely end up with a no name...

[leo.civil.uefs]

you could try checking your names are set up OK with something like
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downl...o=file&id=3493

Thanks a lot Mak, yes the tool found issues related with dwarven names, I belive this was the cause of the problem.

EDIT; other quick check is try to get into the Battle Editor - it'll CTD if there's a descr_names entry that isn't in names.txt

No CTD after I used the tool to fix the names.

EDIT2; and check the campaign_script - it might not be something you've just changed, but could be a spawn that only happens sometimes...

EDIT3!; actually random_name for spawn_army in campaign_script seems to work OK - but if you use it in descr_strat for named characters or captains outside a settlement you definitely end up with a no name...

These are some vanilla 3.2 TATW lines (made by KK) in campaign_script.txt, no one ever reported any problems related with it.

spawn_army 
    faction sicily
    character    random_name, named character, age 25, x 239, y 127
    traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 2 , ReligionStarter 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Loyal 2 , GoodAdministrator 1 , StrategicSkill 1 , LogisticalSkill 1 , Ai_Boost 1
        unit    Gondor Bodyguard        exp 2 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
    end

and there is absolutelly no mention to "random_name" in TATW descr_strat.txt.

[Swagger]

im actually thinking that the problem might be in names.txt (text folder)

check if all your dwarves names have the corresponding name there

while the name files inside data are the coding ingame, it's the names.txt file that actually declares what will appear in game, so i'm guessing there's a few names missing there causing the game to work, but no text being displayed

[MIKE GOLF]

I believe you may have to edit your descr_names file. While scanning though it I noticed this:

        Frar Stiffbeard
        Frerin Ironfist
        Fror Stonefoot
        Fundin Blacklock

Then names should be connected by an underscore or they will not be read, so it should look like this:

        Frar_Stiffbeard
        Frerin_Ironfist
        Fror_Stonefoot
        Fundin_Blacklock

I found no other "un-connected" names. I hope this fixes your issue.

[leo.civil.uefs]

The "_" are not necessary in names.txt wich is the actual shown ingame names.

Anyway as I changed somethings this is not really a possibility anymore.

I suppose I fixed the problem as I said some posts ago.

But who knows, more suggestions are welcome.

[MIKE GOLF]

I was looking at the descr_names file, but if you have it fixed than all is well. Continued success.

[makanyane]

vanila descr_names.txt has a lot of entries like;

of London

however I've found that trying to do that sort of thing for new entries doesn't work well - for M2tw it might be something to do with the way the strings.bin files are generated by the game?
(see also recent threads about problems with .bin files) converting the internal names to use _ might be safer...

[Gigantus]

vanila descr_names.txt has a lot of entries like;


however I've found that trying to do that sort of thing for new entries doesn't work well - for M2tw it might be something to do with the way the strings.bin files are generated by the game?
(see also recent threads about problems with .bin files) converting the internal names to use _ might be safer...

As a rule of thumb and in all my tutorials I advise to use underscore in descr_names, never had problems with it. The reason 'of London' works will be related to the look up file issue we recently discussed, it possibly won't work with custom entries without adding them to the look up file. Correspondingly using a blank look up file and then generating the string.bin file for names.txt could result in similar problems.
Using random_name in descr_strat is not advisable, but works perfectly in the script as withwnar said

[leo.civil.uefs]

vanila descr_names.txt has a lot of entries like;


however I've found that trying to do that sort of thing for new entries doesn't work well - for M2tw it might be something to do with the way the strings.bin files are generated by the game?
(see also recent threads about problems with .bin files) converting the internal names to use _ might be safer...

Next version of my sub-mod will not use empty spaces between name/surname or such. So I dont need to check this.