Deported US Veterans- A Complex Issue

[Farnan]

https://news.vice.com/video/deported...ans-of-America

Very complex.

On one side they did serve in the military which means they attempted to sacrifice a part of their lives for their country. On the other hand they were deported after breaking the law.

I am more in favor of not deporting veterans who have served honorably. However, its not an easy call.

[I WUB PUGS]

You serve, you get citizenship. Should've always been the rule.

[Simon Cashmere]

You serve, you get citizenship. Should've always been the rule.

It it in fact is, I have a good friend who is an immigration attorney - and he has said that every time the INS or now DHS raises its head against a veteran who lied to enlist in Vietnam or Gulf War II, they back right off. If there has been a change of policy its a new one. yeah the article itself refers to veterans who have committed crimes. Whether or not you deport people based on the crimes they commit, I'm not sure about, I suppose my view would be - it depends on the crime.

You do get citizenship after 6 months because of executive order signed by GW Bush in 2001. I sometimes regret telling the truth and trying to do things the right way, as it meant I had to leave the US - and I was prepared to go to Iraq to stay. The people who did get in, were sometimes Mexicans who had bought a fake greencard in Tijuana. From what I hear - no one ever finds out until you try to start sponsoring in relatives and then they say, wait a minute...the word is the Army and the Marines never find out until way way later - usually it was the IRS that sets the alarms off because of social security record irregularities.

I hesitate to admit this because it is an admission against interest - but after drinking with some marines on leave from Iraq in 2003, who were going back shortly, and telling them I tried to join the US Army but was being kicked out of the country, they decided that they would take me back to barracks, put a uniform on me and I'd go back to Iraq with them. I've often wondered exactly how that would have worked out, probably not well - I imagine it would have seemed like less of a good idea the next day when we all were sober....they were pretty sure it would work provided I didn't talk, my accent being a dead giveaway. The plan sir was brilliant - except - that while we could fake the uniform, the fake passport and military ID just might have been that little bit harder. Still I was just being negative they said...these details didn't trouble them at all, and I just needed to stop being a queer and go with the plan. Despite strong urging, I declined...and I'm reasonably glad I did, although it is funny to think what would have happened had we given it a go.

Other marines swear that this could never ever have happened - I will take an effing lie detector test! For anyone wondering, no officer participated in the planning phase of this operation

[mike^_^]

Illegals should not be serving in the army. However, instead of deporting these alien-veterans, we should instead deport the people who thought it'd be a brilliant idea to let them serve in the armed forces.

[Farnan]

Illegals should not be serving in the army. However, instead of deporting these alien-veterans, we should instead deport the people who thought it'd be a brilliant idea to let them serve in the armed forces.

Not all were illegal. At least one had a green card. However, by law if someone with a green card commits a crime they can be subject to deportation.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Illegals should not be serving in the army. However, instead of deporting these alien-veterans, we should instead deport the people who thought it'd be a brilliant idea to let them serve in the armed forces.

I don't see the problem is getting free, desperate bodies to serve our military interests in exchange for citizenship and rights. It's actually pretty advantageous, just look at the French Foreign Legion.

[mike^_^]

I don't see the problem is getting free, desperate bodies to serve our military interests in exchange for citizenship and rights. It's actually pretty advantageous, just look at the French Foreign Legion.

The United States doesn't need "free, desperate bodies" to serve in the armed forces. We have plenty of those who are already citizens. If the empire is having trouble convincing their domestic population to serve, well then I'd suggest they re-evaluate their foreign policy.

[Heinz Guderian]

I thought when you join the Mobile Infantry, service guarantees citizenship? You join up, get shot at by brown people in places where the corporate government thinks its interests are best served and then you can vote for the guy with the blue tie or the guy with the red tie. Getting deported wasnt part of the deal Obama

[Heinz Guderian]

What kind of crimes are we talking about? Are we talking something major like Rolf Harris or something minor like Iron Mike Tyson

[Surgeon]

IIRC even immigrants who have already gained their citizenship can still be deported and have their citizenship revoked for felonies.

[I WUB PUGS]

http://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/HT...-Chapter2.html

Felonies don't appear to be a problem. Actively going against the US or its government is.

[Stavroforos]

Service should guarantee citizenship, and so they shouldn't be deported, no matter what.

[nce_wht_guy]

Service should guarantee citizenship, and so they shouldn't be deported, no matter what.

[Captain Jin]

Service makes citizenship A LOT easier. I endorsed two of my Marines for citizenship and they got theirs pretty damn fast actually.

[hellheaven1987]

I remember you can only join US military if you have Green Card? So how illegals even get in first?

[Gaidin]

I remember you can only join US military if you have Green Card? So how illegals even get in first?

Sometimes questions aren't asked or answers are just believed or waived when forms are filled out at certain points in an extended conflict. It really is that simple.

[hellheaven1987]

Sometimes questions aren't asked or answers are just believed or waived when forms are filled out at certain points in an extended conflict. It really is that simple.

Yet that is not following the regular admission process, and hence inevitably creates paper work issues later on. If US military is short of recruits and want foreigners, create a American Foreign Legion then.

[Gaidin]

Yet that is not following the regular admission process, and hence inevitably creates paper work issues later on. If US military is short of recruits and want foreigners, create a American Foreign Legion then.

Pfft. And we all know that in some conflicts in history at certain points all you had to do to pass the eyesight exam was have two eyes. My point is the same principle applies here after decade of conflict. What's your point?

[Condottiere 40K]

It serves a purpose, and foreign recruits have more motivation to keep their noses clean.

I'd say Blackwater qualified as an American slant on the Foreign Legion.

[Farnan]

You don't automatically get citizenship after 6 months you have to go thru the normal naturalization process. The only difference is you can apply after one day instead of 7 years. I had a Soldier I was helping thru the process.

The problem is not every Soldier knows you have to go thru the process and there command doesn't let them know.