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    yo hilary, let me remind you what a former US SECSTATE once said:
    "the United States doesn't have friends, it has interests"
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    Maybe, just maybe if the US gave more than it took from the alliance, we wouldn't give a flying , but that's beside the point.

    Nations aren't your close buddies you can have a beer and a bbq with; they're more akin to business partners. Ever heard of the phrase 'nothing personal, it's just business?' yep many US businesses that shafted Australian industries ought to be very familiar with that


    also interesting is that the sydney morning herald didn't allow comments to this article; i guess they didn't want the inevitable tearing of hilary to occur.
    Former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has caned Australia for two-timing – becoming overly dependent on China as a trading partner while expecting Washington to defend from a Beijing that is becoming more aggressive in the region – militarily and territorially.
    Interviewed for Fairfax Media’s Good Weekend on the launch of her memoir Hard Choices, Clinton warned that the Abbott government’s drive for even more trade with China “makes you dependent, to an extent that can undermine your freedom of movement and your sovereignty, economic and political.”
    Told that Trade Minister Andrew Robb had led a 630-strong trade mission through several Chinese cities in April, Clinton, who is likely to be the Democratic Party nominee to succeed Barack Obama as US president, said: “Well that is a mistake. It’s a mistake whether you’re a country, or a company or an individual to put, as we say in the vernacular, all your eggs in the one basket.
    “Just as it was a mistake for Europe to become so dependent on a single supplier. Starting in March 2009, I made that case to the Europeans, that they were increasingly dependent on gas from Russia. They'd already had two experiences, in 2006 and 2009, where for their own purposes, Russia cut off the gas, actually causing people to freeze to death – in Poland and elsewhere.”
    Her warning came in the context of a discussion of whether Washington’s much-vaunted pivot to Asia, which she claims as her initiative, is succeeding as a bulwark against China’s economic and strategic might.

    Clinton refrained from storybook language as she explained the strategy, but as she outlines the effort which was formally launched in 2012, for the US to reassert itself in Asia, there was a hint of the poor little countries of the region, a freckle-faced Australia included, being pushed around by the Beijing bullies; and of them pleading with their American buddies to walk down the street with them – just in case the agro in the air became more than menacing.

    With an insatiable appetite for natural resources, China now accounts for more than 35 per cent of Australia’s trade.
    In the past, Mr Abbott wanted to lecture the Chinese leadership on human rights and territorial bad manners, and on winning government last year, he at first seemed to irritate Beijing. More recently, the Prime Minister has taken a different route – in China in April, he did not mention the US by name; and on reform, he talked about what the Chinese were doing as opposed to not doing.
    “Australia is strong enough to be a valuable partner, but not a dominant one – Team Australia is here in China to help build the Asian century,” he said during the visit. As he departed, the PM quoted an old line from reformist Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping – “To be rich is indeed glorious” to which he added an Abbott flourish – “But to be a true friend is sublime.”
    And in the same week that Ms Clinton spoke to Good Weekend, Mr Abbott was in the US, demonstrating the belief that Australia can keep doing the splits.

    Citing China as a superpower rival to the US, rather than as the potential threat seen by Australia and its regional neighbours in Ms Clinton’s telling of the genesis of the US pivot to Asia, Abbott told a meeting of the American Chamber of Commerce in Washington: “As citizens of a great power, it’s understandable that Americans should be wary of potential rivals, [but] for Americans to begrudge what the Chinese haven’t achieved more than to admire what they have is out of character – especially as the movement, in just a generation, of hundreds of millions of Chinese into the middle class is a transformation unparalleled in human history.”
    And then he marched down Pennsylvania Avenue, to the White House, to tell President Obama about the need for a great power such as the US, to act to balance a resurgent China in Australia’s backyard – to the point of seeking to lock in the American president to stationing more than the 1150 US troops now on rotation in Australia and even more than the projected increase in their number to 2500, to the point of having the Americans establish a permanent base, probably at Stirling WA. Because, according to reporters briefed by Abbott’s entourage, the Prime Minister sees all this is crucial to the success of the pivot.


    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/hillary-...#ixzz35zMgdET9

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    Australia is such a player

    typical bad boy, two timing the two popular chicks at same time

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    Quote Originally Posted by fkizz View Post
    Australia is such a player

    typical bad boy, two timing the two popular chicks at same time
    hell, american girls wet themselves over an australian accent, guess hilary clinton's just going psycho and clingy is all cuz Australia didn't call
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    Everything that comes out of Hillary Clinton's mouth these days, whether it be that her favorite book is the Bible or that she's just a folksy gal who can relate to the simple voters (ala the Sarah Palin playbook), should most likely be scoffed at, and at best scrutinized for interpretation of a subtle message she's purposefully imbedded. I take everything Hillary Clinton says with a big grain of salt about this size:



    It sounds like a soundbite that she's wanting to use on the campaign trail for a 2016 presidential run. Aside from minor footnote events of late with spats between China and Vietnam over national claims to the South China Sea and oil rigs, I'm not sure why China has become such a piñata for both Democrats and Republicans to whack with a big stick to show voters how uber AMERICAN they are and how tough they're willing to be with China (second only to Canada as the country's largest trading partner). For that matter, openly castigating Australia because it does business with a country the US is not only not at war with, but joined at the hip with economically, seems almost childish when it comes to observing the game of diplomacy. Australia is not only a close ally, but virtually everyone does business with China, the virtual manufacturer of the world. Why single out Australia? Damaging relations like that just seems so pointless, and I hope it comes back to bite her in the Democratic primaries (we all know she's running ).

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    I actually find it confusing that whether Hillary Clinton's anti-China tone is true to herself or she just tries to appease American public.
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    Well seeing as there is no link to actual comments - I don't the Hillary hate. She a reasonable point about dependance and it does not look have bothered the Australian government so much as the commentator for the Sydney Morning Herald.
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    fact is, the US can't match Chinese investment dollar for dollar, and Australia depends on foreign investment.

    So let me ask you, what the hell does Hilary Clinton expect us in Australia to do? Implode just because we're the only Western country that's whipping the entire western world's arse when it comes to economic growth? what's the matter? U jelly?
    i just saw the latest figures for economic growth coming out of the US; the US economy shrank 2.9% which pretty much vaporised most of that economic growth previously whereas Australia's economic growth has been in the positives throughout the GFC and up to today and you can thank Chinese demand and FDI and markets for Australia's positive economic growth...and despite all of that, Hilary Clinton expects us to on the only engine of growth this side of the planet, if not the entire world for the sake of....what? being part of an all white english speaking group?
    no thanks, we'll take our high living standards and economic growth and security thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    fact is, the US can't match Chinese investment dollar for dollar, and Australia depends on foreign investment.

    So let me ask you, what the hell does Hilary Clinton expect us in Australia to do? Implode just because we're the only Western country that's whipping the entire western world's arse when it comes to economic growth? what's the matter? U jelly?
    i just saw the latest figures for economic growth coming out of the US; the US economy shrank 2.9% which pretty much vaporised most of that economic growth previously whereas Australia's economic growth has been in the positives throughout the GFC and up to today and you can thank Chinese demand and FDI and markets for Australia's positive economic growth...and despite all of that, Hilary Clinton expects us to on the only engine of growth this side of the planet, if not the entire world for the sake of....what? being part of an all white english speaking group?
    no thanks, we'll take our high living standards and economic growth and security thank you very much.
    Did you read on about the GDP number or just the headline - mostly weather and leading indicators are still positive as positive.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/samantha...cond-estimate/
    http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-g...ter-1403699600

    "which pretty much vaporised most of that economic growth previously"

    Overstatement much? you just Q4 2013

    Hilary Clinton expects us to on the only engine of growth this side of the planet, if not the entire world for the sake of....what? being part of an all white english speaking group?
    Got no ideal what you are talking about - you are ranting based on the editorial opinion of one News paper - besides that growth might not be what it seems:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2...l-report-says/

    no thanks, we'll take our high living standards and economic growth and security thank you very much.
    What security when China finds a map that includes say fishing or drilling grounds in Australian waters?

    Besides were you not laughing at Australia over LNG and the China - Russian pipeline?

    fact is, the US can't match Chinese investment dollar for dollar, and Australia depends on foreign investment.
    Can't it? You must really recall the US does not much in the way of state owned companies but US based corporations have almost ~2 trillion dollars in profits sitting overseas. Obvious from a US perspective the government would like that to come home - but for Australia would it rather shovel crap for China of convince IBM to build a fab in Sydney?
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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Did you read on about the GDP number or just the headline - mostly weather and leading indicators are still positive as positive.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/samantha...cond-estimate/
    http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-g...ter-1403699600
    "which pretty much vaporised most of that economic growth previously"

    Overstatement much? you just Q4 2013
    stop trying to spin it up for the government cuz you know the figures show a sharp contraction; accept it, pal. And if you don't think there's anything wrong with



    Got no ideal what you are talking about - you are ranting based on the editorial opinion of one News paper - besides that growth might not be what it seems:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2...l-report-says/
    ah yes, great, an opinion piece by a consulting firm which apparently noone in the US is paying attention to, considering the amounts of US investment in China, but let's reread your source now shall we?:
    Mr. Wu’s report is sometimes short on details—for example, he recalculates China’s “official” GDP numbers without clearly explaining why. One of his charts is incorrectly labeled, and there are some conflicting numbers he presents, though none that undercut his ultimate argument. “Sorry,” he writes in an email. But his report is bound to deepen the debate over whether China’s accomplishments are as astonishing as claimed.
    Even by his numbers, China’s growth was impressive –- 7.2% a year for more than 30 years is a huge accomplishment. But it isn’t out of the ordinary for an Asian powerhouse and is even somewhat less rapid than the growth of Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.

    What security when China finds a map that includes say fishing or drilling grounds in Australian waters?
    whut?!
    Besides were you not laughing at Australia over LNG and the China - Russian pipeline?
    yes because it was a massive miscalculation by your brainiacs in the Beltway. i haven't ed up that bad since i washed my girlfriend's silk top in hot wash on high.

    Can't it? You must really recall the US does not much in the way of state owned companies but US based corporations have almost ~2 trillion dollars in profits sitting overseas. Obvious from a US perspective the government would like that to come home - but for Australia would it rather shovel crap for China of convince IBM to build a fab in Sydney?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    fact is, the US can't match Chinese investment dollar for dollar, and Australia depends on foreign investment.

    So let me ask you, what the hell does Hilary Clinton expect us in Australia to do? Implode just because we're the only Western country that's whipping the entire western world's arse when it comes to economic growth? what's the matter? U jelly?
    i just saw the latest figures for economic growth coming out of the US; the US economy shrank 2.9% which pretty much vaporised most of that economic growth previously whereas Australia's economic growth has been in the positives throughout the GFC and up to today and you can thank Chinese demand and FDI and markets for Australia's positive economic growth...and despite all of that, Hilary Clinton expects us to on the only engine of growth this side of the planet, if not the entire world for the sake of....what? being part of an all white english speaking group?
    no thanks, we'll take our high living standards and economic growth and security thank you very much.
    You take her words too seriously.

    But be careful not to become too dependent on Chinese investment and credit, less you become exactly like us.
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    You take her words too seriously.

    But be careful not to become too dependent on Chinese investment and credit, less you become exactly like us.
    when a politician may potentially become the next US President and all that it entails, it'd be silly not to take her words seriously.

    We're not as dependant on Chinese investment and credit as much as the punditocracy believes, they're not allowed to invest as much as say Japan or the US for example according to FIRB rules

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    when a politician may potentially become the next US President and all that it entails, it'd be silly not to take her words seriously.
    Aye, she has a wealth of foreign policy experience on her record, like dodging sniper fire in Bosnia.
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    You take her words too seriously.

    But be careful not to become too dependent on Chinese investment and credit, less you become exactly like us.
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    It has been known for years that Australia's economy depends far too much on the sale of raw materials. The economy has experienced significant growth with China's insatiable demand for raw materials. But this growth comes at a cost. If the Chinese economy were to experience a chill, Australia's would develop pneumonia.
    China's Mining Pit
    Article by Michael Schuman / Port Hedland Sunday, June 19, 2011

    If you're ever in the Australian outpost of Port Hedland, make sure you've got a high limit on your credit card. The dusty downtown of this isolated hamlet of 20,000 may be a few deserted streets lined with bank branches, the local cultural scene confined to drinking halls and pool tables. But when the bills come, you'd think you were in Beverly Hills. A brunch of two scrambled eggs, toast, hash browns and a Coca-Cola at a greasy diner comes to more than $20. A local hotel with rooms that are little more than sunbaked concrete cubes charges $300 a night. Taxi fares are outrageous enough to embarrass a Tokyo or London cabbie. The front window of a real estate agent's office is plastered with flyers advertising one-story, three-bedroom homes — the kind found just about anywhere in Australia — on sale for more than $1 million. Why would anyone pay such crazy prices to stay here? "China needs its iron ore," says Tony Swiericzuk, a local resident and a general manager at Australian mining outfit Fortescue Metals.

    That explains everything. Favorably located on the northwestern coast of Australia, Port Hedland is the point through which the iron ore, copper and other resources dug up from the wastelands of the interior get shipped abroad — more and more to the voracious Chinese economy. Last year 70% of the exports from Port Hedland were bound for China, up from 45% in 2005. That surge has turned Port Hedland into an indispensable part of Australia's economy and a hot destination for mining executives. The port can barely keep pace with Chinese demand. Its capacity has tripled over the past eight years, and Lindsay Copeman, acting chief executive of the Port Hedland Port Authority, expects it to double again by 2016. "It's a very fast-evolving process," Copeman says. "Instead of being a gentle growth curve, it's an exponential curve, and we're almost at a vertical wall."

    All of Australia has been enjoying that climb. The Chinese-driven boom at Port Hedland is symbolic of the growing giant's impact on the entire Australian economy. Chinese demand for Australian exports, especially raw materials, was one big reason Australia didn't fall into recession after the 2008 financial crisis. Since China will get even hungrier for natural resources as its economy roars ahead, Australia is likely to become more and more dependent on the Middle Kingdom. Ben Hunt, an economist at the International Monetary Fund, estimates that roughly 12% of Australia's GDP growth during the past 10 years can be attributed to trade with China; over the next decade, that share could reach 35%. Colin Barnett, premier of Western Australia, Port Hedland's home state, says China has been "probably the single biggest factor" behind the region's strong performance during the Great Recession. "China's almost insatiable demand for natural resources continues to drive our economy," he says.

    That's good news in many ways. China is becoming the largest customer for just about everything, from cars to meat, and the countries able to tap into that surging Chinese wealth will be rewarded with more jobs and faster growth. As China's economy grows ever bigger, more and more companies, industries and economies will be sucked into its orbit, just like Australia. China's resilience helped lift Japan, South Korea and other Asian neighbors out of the recent downturn and boosted commodity exporters like Brazil, while Chinese money is building roads and creating jobs across Africa. What's going on Down Under is a glimpse into the future for everybody.

    That future also leaves many nations a bit queasy, however. Heavy Chinese influence has become a source of public ire and political debate in Zambia and elsewhere in Africa, while Brazilian officials grumble that Beijing's trade practices stifle local industry. Australians, too, are becoming concerned about the potential downside of their growing reliance on the rising giant. "Australia's economy is becoming frightfully dependent on the function of Chinese policymaking," says Scott Ludlam, a senator from Western Australia from the opposition Greens party. "We're setting ourselves up for vulnerability." In a survey conducted this year by the Lowy Institute for International Policy, a Sydney-based think tank, 57% of respondents said the Australian government allows too much investment from China in the country, and 65% thought China's aim was to dominate Asia. "There is almost a subconscious concern [about China] that is creeping into the Australian psyche," says Michael Wesley, Lowy's executive director.

    The more important China becomes to Australia's economy, the more wary Australians become about China. They've woken to how China's political values sharply contrast with their own — highlighted by the opaque Chinese court proceedings that led to the 2010 convictions of four employees of British-Australian mining giant Rio Tinto for accepting bribes and obtaining commercial secrets — and Australia's government has jousted with Beijing over human rights. Australian leaders, concerned about China's expanding military power, have also strengthened their nation's strategic alliance with the U.S. even as economic ties to China intensify. Prime Minister Julia Gillard has attempted a delicate balancing act, charming Washington with pledges of friendship in March while inking agreements to boost trade and tourism during a trip to Beijing in April.

    The contradictory sentiments can even be found within Australia's mining industry, the sector that has benefited the most from China. China gobbled up 37% of Australia's mineral exports in the past fiscal year, up from a mere 5% a decade earlier. That demand is encouraging a surge of investment in the sector. Mining companies invested more than $40 billion in Australia in 2010 — nearly triple 2005's amount. Another $140 billion worth of mining and energy projects are under way, estimates the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics and Sciences, almost seven times as much as six years ago. "Australia is about to embark on its biggest mining-investment boom since the 1850s Gold Rush," Australian Treasurer Wayne Swan recently boasted.

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    and yet our beloved Prime Minister ships manufacturing jobs overseas and guts our auto industry whilst we face a brain drain of our greatest minds.

    There's an interesting point that Monoloco made about the tendency for Australian companies to outsource jobs so that immigrants do the crap jobs that Australian workers expect to be paid fairly for

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    and yet our beloved Prime Minister ships manufacturing jobs overseas and guts our auto industry whilst we face a brain drain of our greatest minds.

    There's an interesting point that Monoloco made about the tendency for Australian companies to outsource jobs so that immigrants do the crap jobs that Australian workers expect to be paid fairly for
    I think despite the economic growth, the Australian government has handled the economy poorly and has squandered the wealth generated. I mean, they already have the materials the Chinese want and it's Chinese investment and that of large multinational companies that has initiated this development without the Government seeking to achieve manufacturing investment as a counter balance. There isn't anything wrong with that investment in itself, its just not a good thing for any economy to have all your eggs in one basket. Unfortunately many African countries are the same, as well as countries such as Brazil, Canada and Russia. China has become the economic driving force behind so many others not just Australia. Unfortunately as the Chinese economy matures this rapid growth is unlikely to continue indefinitely and these countries which are dependent upon raw materials will be the first to feel the effect.

    I wasn't aware that Australia was experiencing a brain drain, as most Australians I encounter over in Britain, seem to work in bars.

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    If this woman ends up being president the world is pretty much ed, heck america would be better off with Palin than her. At least Palin know she's stupid but Hillary is just smart enough not to be able to realize that she isn't much better and that makes her dangerous.
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