'Star Wars' discussions

[Love Mountain]

Certainly nowhere near as much as they expected. Toy sales are lower than dirt and Rise of Skywalker might not even break 1 Billion.

There is going to be a "reshuffle", I don't know what is happening over at Disney but I'm willing to gamble on it. Kathleen and Rian are going to get the boot.

They'll probably be more cautious now I think. They might stick to smaller projects or test it out through other mediums first. Adaptation of the Thrawn books is probably a safe and profitable bet.

[alhoon]

(NOTE: Didn't read much here to avoid spoilers)

Today I will go to watch SW IX. I... am not looking forward to it. It is the first time it feels like a chore. I am aware that I will find the movie mediocre - not too bad for my tastes certainly not good enough to warrantee what for me is a lot of money and a lot of time.
I had my Christmas feast with relatives, I am in a happy stupor and I would much prefer to chill in the house at night in my pijamas and spend some time visiting my sister for a few minutes than go out again in a few hours and waste ~4 hours to watch a 2 1/2 hours mediocre movie (we have to drive there etc).

This is the first SW movie I am not looking forward to and that I consider a minor chore to go to.
But my sister, my brother in law and a couple of friends will go watch it so I will tag along.

I don't expect it to be bad. I expect it to be meh and I would prefer chilling at home after so much socialization these days from a meh movie. Also, while I am not a snowflake and I can take some insults thrown my way, I can't say I am too enthusiastic towards a movie that will again use white heterosexual men as the punchline because white heterosexual men is the last non-protected group so they can portray us as moronic idiots.

[Cookiegod]

I have to say I'm kinda torn. I have been invited to go watch it with some friends of mine. On one hand I don't have to, and I might just as well just meet them before, and then just leave. There won't be much talking or socialisation during the movie, and all you do there is sitting silently and starring at a wall. On the other hand I'm really, really, really intrigued as to how bad this is. I mean, it surely can't be worse than my expectations?! And yet people who have already watched it tell me it can be and is. It'd also be a fine way to put not only the Star Wars franchise, but also the entire Disney corporation behind me in a formal and very much final way. On the other hand, I haven't been watching any Disney movies for a long time already, and it's been even much longer since I enjoyed any of it.

Gonna toss a coin I think. Or let another friend of mine decide who's also not that big on these movies.

[Knight of Heaven]

Well what i feel is that as bad as the prequels were, they had some memorable scenes. I feel in this trilogy there is nothing memorable. Or meme worthy for the ages to come as well

[Halie Satanus]

You mean pivotal moments or just stupid crap that you became memorable because they were so bad?..

Cause.

Han died.
Luke died.
Leia died.

As opposed to:

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!.
Ultimate pooowwwwahhhhhh!
and the unforgivable.



The prequels were a steaming pile of horse apples. Best character was Darth Maul, who said less than Arnie did in Terminator.

[Knight of Heaven]

Cause.

Han died.
Luke died.
Leia died.

That is not memorable. The way they went it is forgettable, they died for nothing. Which is how i would describe Disney star wars. Forgettable pop corn flicks.

As opposed to:

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!.
Ultimate pooowwwwahhhhhh!
and the unforgivable.

And everyone still remember those scenes, and will continue to remember them, Han, Luke, and Leia deaths? nobody cares. And that is the sad true, unfortunately.
They made it so, that people dont really care about the characters in this movies.

The prequels were a steaming pile of horse apples. Best character was Darth Maul, who said less than Arnie did in Terminator.

The prequels were horse pile. And this new Trilogy is even bigger horse pile. I dont see where is the confusion.

Darth maul duel was memorable, so it was Palpatine "the senate" scenes, for the most part. Opening scene of revenge of the sith had more war in space then anything in this new trilogy.

Hell even the music was more memorable in the prequels then it was in Disney Star wars.
Duel of fates, and dark deeds became staples of Star wars music, such as the Imperial march or Binary Sunset (Force Theme) was for the original trilogy.

For this trilogy cant recall a single hit. Despite the soundtrack not being bad per sé.

[Wulfburk]

Qui Gon's death was more impactful than leia's, luke's and han solo's deaths. Thats saying something.

And agreed about the soundtrack. I actually thought for a moment battle of the heroes was gonna play when rey and ren were in the wrecks of the death star, having a mustafar style duel. As with everything in the sequels though, i was grossly disappointed. Revenge of the Sith is in every way better than all 3 of the sequels. The prequels at least have ONE of the main actors actually delivering and doing a great job (ewan mcgregor as obi wan), and they actually got -some- interesting action scenes. Going to rise of skywalker, from the other movies i expected terrible acting, weak soundtrack and some nonsensical plot, but at least some good action scenes could easily be delivered, you'd think. Turns out there's not a single interesting duel or battle in all 3 sequels.

Disney only delivered once, in Rogue One. Battle of Scarif is better than everything in the sequels, by itself.

[Wallachian]

Yes the prequels were bad but for all their flows they did have some memorable moments and also some excellent actors such as christopher lee or ewan mcgreggor. They also had the best space battles in the series and the best lightsaber duels.

As others have said i would not have minded at all if the new trilogy was terrible but at least gave us some bloody actual star wars. There were literally no decent space battles in the whole trilogy and the lightsaber duels were average.

[alhoon]

(NOTE: Didn't read much here to avoid spoilers)

Today I will go to watch SW IX. I... am not looking forward to it. It is the first time it feels like a chore. I am aware that I will find the movie mediocre - not too bad for my tastes certainly not good enough to warrantee what for me is a lot of money and a lot of time.
I had my Christmas feast with relatives, I am in a happy stupor and I would much prefer to chill in the house at night in my pijamas and spend some time visiting my sister for a few minutes than go out again in a few hours and waste ~4 hours to watch a 2 1/2 hours mediocre movie (we have to drive there etc).

This is the first SW movie I am not looking forward to and that I consider a minor chore to go to.
But my sister, my brother in law and a couple of friends will go watch it so I will tag along.

I don't expect it to be bad. I expect it to be meh and I would prefer chilling at home after so much socialization these days from a meh movie. Also, while I am not a snowflake and I can take some insults thrown my way, I can't say I am too enthusiastic towards a movie that will again use white heterosexual men as the punchline because white heterosexual men is the last non-protected group so they can portray us as moronic idiots.

I am happy to say that I was very much wrong in my assessment.
The movie was very enjoyable, by far the better of the sequels, head and shoulders above the copy-paste of SW VII and the mess of S(J)W VIII.
It is not as good as Rogue One but it is a good and enjoyable movie.

Yes, the pacing has problems. So what?! It's an interesting movie and you can follow the plot regardless!
It was a star wars movie after all. They were never big on realism.

Yes, it had a quite simple and predictable plot. Sow what?! The pacing was such that this worked for its favor.
It was a star wars movie after all. Big explosions and strange planets and people are the key.

Yes, it had rehashed things from the previous movies. But they did it in a way that adds to the story not copy-pastes. It's much more creative and clever rehash than what was practically a remake of SW IV in the force awakens. It was more a shout-out than a carbon copy.

Yes, the acting didn't leave anyone amazed. Well, it's not that the originals had amazing actors either. There was wooden language there too and even in the prequels.

Yes, there was some representation in the movie. They did it the right way this time!
There was a same-sex kiss at a very appropriate time that is not forced down our throats. There are people of all colors celebrating and cheering and somewhere in there a woman kisses a woman. It is not made as a "big deal", it is not something people focus upon, it is not presented as a big punch in the face of the evil heterosexuals. It's just many people celebrating, a few of whom happen to be gay.
Women are presented as leaders and all, and so do men. It's not men are stupid reckless egomaniac idiots like the previous movie.
I am conservative and I didn't have any problem with this movie.
You see, other skin colors and orientations were simply existing. The focus was not to advertise them as if it's something special. A person happened to be a person that had a certain skin color, gender and sexual orientation, not a forced diversity issue. Those things never become important, they are treated as normal.

Yes, Rose was pretty much sidelined. But it's not that Finn sleeps around. I would totally prefer him to ditch Rose for an ex-stormtrooper gal but he didn't. Rose's part was limited but it doesn't hurt the story.


They also managed to cover most of the glaring continuity errors inserted in the train wreck of the Last Social Jedi Warrior.
We're told that nooooope, hyperdriving a ship in a fleet is a one-in-the-million miracle that nearly nobody can pull off and is completely unreliable. Hence they answer the obvious questions of "And why didn't anyone order a couple of droid-operated corvettes hyperdrived in the Death Star in the battle of Yavin? Why aren't there hyperdrive drones in all militaries?" etc

[Kyriakos]

They also managed to cover most of the glaring continuity errors inserted in the train wreck of the Last Social Jedi Warrior.
We're told that nooooope, hyperdriving a ship in a fleet is a one-in-the-million miracle that nearly nobody can pull off and is completely unreliable. Hence they answer the obvious questions of "And why didn't anyone order a couple of droid-operated corvettes hyperdrived in the Death Star in the battle of Yavin? Why aren't there hyperdrive drones in all militaries?" etc

Well that's convenient

Isn't even Palpatine in this movie? Kind of ruins the point of the original star-wars when nothing much was decided then.
I don't plan to watch this - haven't watched any of the movies, apart from some of the original three, which again I didn't like - but I did have a look at the script/events. How is this not just space soap-opera with inventing new rules as you go along? (force stuff; hah, get it? force stuff? )

[alhoon]

Well that's convenient

Isn't even Palpatine in this movie? Kind of ruins the point of the original star-wars when nothing much was decided then.
I don't plan to watch this - haven't watched any of the movies, apart from some of the original three, which again I didn't like - but I did have a look at the script/events. How is this not just space soap-opera with inventing new rules as you go along? (force stuff; hah, get it? force stuff? )

?
It is totally space soap opera that invents new rules and stuff as you go along. That's what it markets itself as and that's what it does best. And this movie returned to that.

[Knight of Heaven]

Well that's convenient

Isn't even Palpatine in this movie? Kind of ruins the point of the original star-wars when nothing much was decided then.
I don't plan to watch this - haven't watched any of the movies, apart from some of the original three, which again I didn't like - but I did have a look at the script/events. How is this not just space soap-opera with inventing new rules as you go along? (force stuff; hah, get it? force stuff? )

I think you would like an old game called KOTOR 2, smartest thing that ever came out of Star Wars.

Basically it deals with existentialism. Kreia is space Nietzsche

And agreed about the soundtrack. I actually thought for a moment battle of the heroes was gonna play when rey and ren were in the wrecks of the death star, having a mustafar style duel.

Even the Mandalorian was able to deliver an iconic soundtrack.
80s style

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[Gaidin]

?
It is totally space soap opera that invents new rules and stuff as you go along. That's what it markets itself as and that's what it does best. And this movie returned to that.

Engineering is always in flux anyway. Space Operas do it by inventing new technology or coming up with new ways to use old technology. Star wars does it by pissing old fans off.

[Knight of Heaven]

Well there is a star wars that doesn't have the fandom divided and pissed, its called the Mandalorian. And there is good reasons for that.


Just finished watching it. It was very enjoyable. Also i wasn't expecting the

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Black saber have an appearance but makes sense considering its ties to the Mandalorians. Filoni and Favrau influence no doubt...

Like i had no ideia that Pre Vizla was voiced By john Favrau, in clone wars. He also voiced the heavy trooper Mandalorian in the show.

[Gaidin]

Well there is a star wars that doesn't have the fandom divided and pissed, its called the Mandalorian. And there is good reasons for that.


Just finished watching it. It was very enjoyable. Also i wasn't expecting the *spoiler*

I watched it on Christmas day. I wasn't expecting the Hyperspace Hop considering the reaction to the Lightspeed Jump through the shield. But, you know. You use the technology as it's able to be used.

[Halie Satanus]

Mandalorian EP8.

Brilliant.

[Common Soldier]

I am happy to say that I was very much wrong in my assessment.
The movie was very enjoyable, by far the better of the sequels, head and shoulders above the copy-paste of SW VII and the mess of S(J)W VIII.
It is not as good as Rogue One but it is a good and enjoyable movie.

I agree with you. It was better than Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. Not as good as Rogue One, but I wasn't expecting it to be.

It was a good and enjoyable film. I think it had the potential to be more, but it played it safe, and we shouldn't judge a film on what it could have been, but rather what it was. I would have liked them to expand the idea raised by Kylo of going beyond the Light and Dark side of the Force, so a true "balance". Maybe more of the idea that the good guys were always perfect, and the "bad" guys had their merits.

Yes, the pacing has problems. So what?! It's an interesting movie and you can follow the plot regardless!
It was a star wars movie after all. They were never big on realism.

The problem with pacing in a movie like Star Wars is you can't give the audience too much time to think. The original Star Wars, A New Hope, and Empire Strikes Back, succeeded because they moved at such a fast pace they didn't give you time to think about all their logical flaws. The Last Jedi, gave you much more time to ponder how dumb and illogical the actions of the characters in the movie were. The middle of The Last Jedi was occupied by a slow and drawn out chase scene, where the First Order leisurely destroyed the Resistance Fleet ship by ship. Dull and Boring. And the riding scene at the bad ripoff of a James Bond casino was just dumb. Putting money in that stupid round droid like a slot machine - come on, just dumb. The original had their stupid moments too, but they were fewer and the action in the next scene caused you to forget them quickly.

Yes, it had a quite simple and predictable plot. Sow what?! The pacing was such that this worked for its favor.
It was a star wars movie after all. Big explosions and strange planets and people are the key.

Nothing wrong with a simple and predictable plot. It could have been a lot more, but you need to appreciate it for what it was, not what it could have been.

Better simple and predictable than what The Last Jedi did. Having the characters do things stupid and at odds with their established behavior just to surprise the audience is just plain bad.

Yes, it had rehashed things from the previous movies. But they did it in a way that adds to the story not copy-pastes. It's much more creative and clever rehash than what was practically a remake of SW IV in the force awakens. It was more a shout-out than a carbon copy.

I agree with you here.

Yes, the acting didn't leave anyone amazed. Well, it's not that the originals had amazing actors either. There was wooden language there too and even in the prequels.

Very true. Some of the dialogue in the original movies the actors had trouble saying with a straight face.

Yes, there was some representation in the movie. They did it the right way this time!
There was a same-sex kiss at a very appropriate time that is not forced down our throats. There are people of all colors celebrating and cheering and somewhere in there a woman kisses a woman. It is not made as a "big deal", it is not something people focus upon, it is not presented as a big punch in the face of the evil heterosexuals. It's just many people celebrating, a few of whom happen to be gay.

I agree.

Women are presented as leaders and all, and so do men. It's not men are stupid reckless egomaniac idiots like the previous movie.
I am conservative and I didn't have any problem with this movie.
You see, other skin colors and orientations were simply existing. The focus was not to advertise them as if it's something special. A person happened to be a person that had a certain skin color, gender and sexual orientation, not a forced diversity issue. Those things never become important, they are treated as normal.

I agree with your observations here also.

Yes, Rose was pretty much sidelined. But it's not that Finn sleeps around. I would totally prefer him to ditch Rose for an ex-stormtrooper gal but he didn't. Rose's part was limited but it doesn't hurt the story.

Yes, Rose was sidelined in the story. But given how long the movie was anyways, giving Rose a meatier role would have required making the movie even longer. They had to cut someone's role, and Rose was the least developed of all the characters.

They also managed to cover most of the glaring continuity errors inserted in the train wreck of the Last Social Jedi Warrior.
We're told that nooooope, hyperdriving a ship in a fleet is a one-in-the-million miracle that nearly nobody can pull off and is completely unreliable. Hence they answer the obvious questions of "And why didn't anyone order a couple of droid-operated corvettes hyperdrived in the Death Star in the battle of Yavin? Why aren't there hyperdrive drones in all militaries?" etc

Yes, they did provided an answer about hyperspace ramming, but that explanation seemed a little to forced. One of the big weaknesses in the Rise of Skywalker, and it applies to the The Last Jedi as well, was too many convenient deus ex macchina devices in the movie. Out of nowhere, fuel becomes a problem, and only for the Resistance Fleet while being chased by the First Order. Suddenly, you can track in hyperspace, when we were told you couldn't before. In the Rise of Skywalker, it was the Empire ships conveniently not being able to use shields in an atmosphere, which is completely contradicted by the Episode I The Phantom Menace where shields are being shown used in an atmosphere. And that if you hit the planet buster cannon the ship suddenly blows up? WTF? That made absolutely no sense, it was added so the Resistance could conveniently blow up the bad guys ships. Lazy story writing. But even so, it still wasn't as big a flaw as The Last Jedi ones, since you don't have too much time to think about it, and it is not entirely clear that was what was used to actually destroy the bad guys ships, although it was implied. I just wish the screen writers would take a little more time to come up with more plausible scenario for the good guys victory, instead of relying on the old "we have the bad guys act like total idiots so the good guys can win scenario.

The Death Star's weakness was believable, because it was a difficult one-in-a-million shot that required Luke using the Force to succeed,and the Empire was mere seconds from total victory. If Luke had delayed his shot for just a few seconds, the Empire would have won. And there were real world examples of something very similar. The Arizona was sunk because a single bomb managed to detonate its magazine, hitting at just the right spot. Arizona's sister battleships using the same design continued the war with the same flaw, the ships were not taken out of service or redesigned. If a bomb happened to hit in the same spot as the Arizona's sister battleships, they could have suffered the same fate as the USS Arizona. Sometimes, you have to take calculated risks due to design constraints, and the Rebels attack on the Death Star succeeded because (1) The Rebels had the plans for the Death Star, and so could analyze all its weaknesses and (2) they had a phenomenal pilot with the supernatural ability of the Force to shoot the required shot at precisely the right moment. A design of the Death Star could be pardoned for dismissing a threat requiring the skills of an extinct order of Jedi to succeed, and someone having access to the complete plans.

[Dismounted Feudal Knight]

Some hot takes I doubt will be received terribly well, but hey.
- The prequels are leagues above the sequel trilogy in storytelling and creative vision.
- Star Wars does, in fact, have precedence of being much better than this.
- A few flaws from old films and a few more from what succeeded them doesn't excuse a series record-breaking avalanche.
- Rose was a fairly pointless character to introduce in the first place.
- EP7 was a pander to nostalgia, EP8 was designed with concepts quite inappropriate to the series and precedence, and EP9 was salty about what EP8 did and tried to undo it while undoing the structure established years before. You'd be quite right in asserting the average audience doesn't particularly care about consistency, storytelling quality, and vision consistent with the original works - or, given the fact the ST is more controversial than the prequels could have dreamed, perhaps a bit more than there's been credit for.

I'm hardly going to represent the broader audience and I have a higher than usual care for characters and storytelling at the expense of just sitting there and enjoying the visuals, but the ST was a procedural evolving mess multiplying in problems with each movie in succession.

[alhoon]

Well, well, weeeeell... Ahsoka Tano will play a part in Mandalorian season 2, played by Rosario Dawson (that I don't know but her facial structure is not far from Ashoka's).

I am very glad about it and about what it also means: My 2nd favorite SW gals, Sabine Wren, is also bound to show up!
Why? Because:
- Ashoka was with Sabine looking for Ezra in the end of Rebels, 3-4 of years probably before the Mandalorian.
- Sabine is a Mandalorian and an important one.
- Sabine had the Darksaber, passed it to a Mandalorian boss to fight against the Empire and now the Darksaber is in the hand of Ex-Imperial baddies.


If my calculations are correct Ashoka is probably in her 40s whatever that means for Togrutas and Sabine is 25 +/- a couple of years.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Not a huge fan of Ashoka, frankly I hate anything George Lucas made after 2008 so I really don't care that Ashoka is in Mandalorian. Seems like unnecessary nerd bait where part of what made the Mandalorian interesting was its small scale and lack of pretension.

Anyone notice that Star Wars High Republic thing? So basically an attempt to take over the Old Republic material. Plus the story sounds really stupid.