New player SS6.4 observations as Teutonic Order

[RotBaron]

So far I'm loving this mod, I haven't played tons of TW mods, only a few. Iirc I chose RR and the one described as "most players" choose this mod ~5/10 backstabbing iirc.

Things I like that are different from Vanilla is the better AI of course, that it's considerably more challenging and not as predictable.

Some things I'm having trouble with:

I've had to restart the campaign on medium several times because Novgorod overwhelms me, especially when they get help from Denmark or I fail to subdue Lithuania's Hrodna and Vilnius. One try I had all 3 attacking me (and Poland too) because I took Thorn first...

What I've found works to a degree is taking Hrodna, Vilnius and Visby and trying to build wealth from there to afford armies. Problem is though that for awhile I have smaller armies running around as bait to keep Novgorod off my cities/castles. I changed Visby to castle to get the better infantry units.

Where I'm kinda confused on a couple of things, Lithuania even down to one town (Mensk) was still able to put up a real good fight, albeit Novgorod assisted by Novgorod continuously attacking me. I have 5 regions and still can barely afford much of an army.

Why does the TO have weaker units than Novgorod and Lithuania?

Why does the TO only field two units from towns and with large town then crossobowmen? How many will I get with a city, and large city?

Several times Hungary has begun to run the map, is this just chance or do they need to be stopped? Also I've seen the HRE eliminated or nearly eliminated a couple of times, just by chance?

Finally, I've gotten to ~turn 150 a couple of times (once Fatimid's won so I restarted) and still can't really field a powerful army. Are there some things you think I'm missing or doing that inhibit the TO? I know about the difficulty in getting Citadels, maybe the only way with the TO is to lower the population requirement for Citadels?

One of things that is discouraging as TO is that it seems like most of it is defense and sit back and watch the other powerful factions; of course I know that is historically correct as they were a crusading Order and not a nation, but each game should be rewriting history...

Great mod though, thanks for all the hard work! Hopefully this didn't sound critical of the mod, I'm just trying to figure out how to fulfill the victory conditions.

Thanks,
Rot

[Duck of Death]

If its your first time playing SS, the Teutonic Order can be one of the tougher factions to start with.
Might want to try a game or two as France or one of the Italian States... or England is really easy.

But, as the Teutonics...
you might want to try to make allies at the start with Novgorod and/or Poland so you can focus on the Lithuanians.
Also, near the start, try taking the territory north of you (Finland) and the island to the west (Visby) while they are still rebel-owned.
If Lithuania is still being a bit tough, try calling a crusade on them... then all the other catholic factions come and help you a bit

[RotBaron]

Thanks Duck, I have played the vanilla many times and those strategies do work there, I'll try here. It just seemed off that I had 5 regions and Lithuania had one and I still couldn't raise enough army to defeat their two stacks.

[RotBaron]

Thanks Duck, I have played the vanilla many times and those strategies do work there, I'll try here. It just seemed off that I had 5 regions and Lithuania had one and I still couldn't raise enough army to defeat their two stacks.

* without Kiev coming in an trying first...

-sorry ^ I don't see an edit button

[kultegin]

hmm. i am currently playing TO.


"Why does the TO have weaker units than Novgorod and Lithuania? " I suggest you to use the pause during the battles. 1. Pause. 2. check what units are fighting what. 3. give multiple orders. 4. pause ..... Try to eliminate enemy general or captain asap. use yr archers against their missile cavalry/cavalry. charge the missile cavalry while they are in circle and shoot formation. if they rout, do not chase. instead eliminate their cav and charge their inf from behind. well you may need to try some custom battles.