Early hoplite morale

**Kruik** · June 25, 2014, 12:56 PM

So I'm not sure if this is due to playing on Legendary or to DeI, but it seems that hoplite formations early in the game are unbreakable. I'm using Roman Hastati with some mixed local hoplites against some Illyrian Thureos spears (turn 3), and I'm flanking them with a Hastati on early side of them (4 units) versus 2 of the Thureos spears in hoplite, with javelins raining upon them and charging my general cavalry unit in repeatedly. Yet, the hoplites are only losing about 5 every 20 seconds, while my Hastati are losing 10 every 10 seconds. Not only that, but the hoplite morale never drops below Confident? I'm thinking it's the legendary mode, since that gives the enemy a silly amount of morale, but isn't hoplite mode supposed to be vulnerable to flanking? It seems that the hoplites are fighting strongly in front and back, without differentiation to the primary side they're fighting on. Halp.

**Mr.IAmHere** · June 25, 2014, 02:09 PM

It's probably legendary. Try lowering the difficulty.

**KAM 2150** · June 25, 2014, 02:26 PM

Legendary difficulty brakes this mod. It gives enemy units +7 to many stats, so even enemy militia will now match your heavy infantry in attack value.

About formation, CA has ruined it, they made formations work the same, no matter if attacked from the front or back.

**zonks40** · June 25, 2014, 08:05 PM

It's probably a combination of Legendary mode and the "Hoplite wall" defense bonus of 40, this gives even Militia Hoplites around a 70+ melee defense, making it very difficult for units to land a hit.

**Kruik** · June 25, 2014, 10:03 PM

Is there any efforts being made to fix the formations? Or is it hardcoded

**yukishiro1** · June 25, 2014, 11:16 PM

You can't play on legendary and expect balance. With the lower base stats in the mod the legendary bonuses makes unit like twice as good, so their levies are as good as your elite units.

**Kruik** · June 25, 2014, 11:19 PM

Yeah, I mostly did just because VH became too easy on Shogun, so I started just doing legendary. I can see how it would break this mod though, so I'll play VH with normal battle difficulty. Just curious, what would you recommend for base difficulties for the best performance by the mod (with an eye to make it challenging, I'm a bit of a masochist from playing EU3/4 too much).