DW3 GAN NING MODEL?

[PUNKK]

Any way you can get the DW3 gan ning model? Big sword spikey hair and feather? haha I jsut thought it would be really cool. Or even the RTK12 gan ning better expresses the characteristics of him. He just looks like any other armored general, think were all used to him being a little wild and less armored haha. Just a request I think would be awesome.


Thanks guys!

[The Blade That Was Broken]

The problem with the Dynasty Warrior's series is they make all the characters look like modern day Japanese anime characters, which completely, IMHO, destroys and distorts the real Three Kingdoms era. To me, as an avid Chinese historian and someone of Chinese heritage (my last name is Guan/Kwan ), I just feel that KOEI is destroying the good image of the actual era. It's quite a shame that most people (here in America) only know the Three Kingdoms era through this 'joke' of a series.

In reality, all generals wore pretty much the same style of armor, and pretty much all of them were armored up good (unless you didn't fight like Zhuge Liang and sat in a chair ). All of them wore equipment close to this potrayal:

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While KOEI distorts it drastically and creates an unrealistic and unhistorical portrayal:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

As said in previous threads, our mod aims to create a historical portrayal of the Three Kingdoms era, drawing from resources such as Records of Three Kingdoms, and some 'realistic' events from Romance of Three Kingdoms. Therefore, our final product models will look something more like the armors from Three Kingdoms (2010) TV Drama (not exactly the same, as some of them are a bit 'unrealistic' for the time period). Most of the current strat models and battle models of generals are placeholders and have been ported over from the original RTW mod, and will be 'revamped' and 'overhauled' like we are doing to the standard units right now.

[PUNKK]

The problem with the Dynasty Warrior's series is they make all the characters look like modern day Japanese anime characters, which completely, IMHO, destroys and distorts the real Three Kingdoms era. To me, as an avid Chinese historian and someone of Chinese heritage (my last name is Guan/Kwan ), I just feel that KOEI is destroying the good image of the actual era. It's quite a shame that most people (here in America) only know the Three Kingdoms era through this 'joke' of a series.

In reality, all generals wore pretty much the same style of armor, and pretty much all of them were armored up good (unless you didn't fight like Zhuge Liang and sat in a chair ). All of them wore equipment close to this potrayal:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

While KOEI distorts it drastically and creates an unrealistic and unhistorical portrayal:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

As said in previous threads, our mod aims to create a historical portrayal of the Three Kingdoms era, drawing from resources such as Records of Three Kingdoms, and some 'realistic' events from Romance of Three Kingdoms. Therefore, our final product models will look something more like the armors from Three Kingdoms (2010) TV Drama (not exactly the same, as some of them are a bit 'unrealistic' for the time period). Most of the current strat models and battle models of generals are placeholders and have been ported over from the original RTW mod, and will be 'revamped' and 'overhauled' like we are doing to the standard units right now.

Haha thanks for the update... I just hope that you guys keep a cool theme for Gan ning.. and try to portray the wild erratic side he was known for somewhere in his look

[Crustis]

As said in previous threads, our mod aims to create a historical portrayal of the Three Kingdoms era, drawing from resources such as Records of Three Kingdoms, and some 'realistic' events from Romance of Three Kingdoms. Therefore, our final product models will look something more like the armors from Three Kingdoms (2010) TV Drama (not exactly the same, as some of them are a bit 'unrealistic' for the time period). Most of the current strat models and battle models of generals are placeholders and have been ported over from the original RTW mod, and will be 'revamped' and 'overhauled' like we are doing to the standard units right now.

Hello, i wanted to ask, what do you think about historical accuracy of ROTK TV series (1994). Actually, i'm interested to know about these modern series too.

[Sigmar Heldenhamer]

well i first played DW3 then ROTK 9 then 10 then 11 because they got me so hooked that it a actually lead me to research the the time period and now i watch rotk the new series on you tube and documentaries , so not all of us Americans only know this through the video game "joke" but i agree with you on that point anyway

[The Blade That Was Broken]

Honestly, I would say that neither of them are fully historically accurate, mostly because both of them are based off of Luo Guangzhong's Semi-Historical Semi-Fictional novel, but they do a much better job at portraying the Three Kingdoms era than KOEI.

If I were to pick the better (and more historically accurately written script), I would probably go with the 2010 series, I just find that script more well-written, and of course the quality of the filming of the two is drastically better, considering the old's one age. But both of them are excellent series nonetheless.

[Crustis]

I had impression that the old series were designed to copy the novel in every single detail, while the modern series are different from both history and novel. My main interest is in the armor. In the old series, every soldier looks like armored peasant, while in the modern ones, they look like hyper armored warriors from chinese fantasy films. (I have a book about chinese army, their equipment looks very "simplistic" there)

[The Blade That Was Broken]

I had impression that the old series were designed to copy the novel in every single detail, while the modern series are different from both history and novel. My main interest is in the armor. In the old series, every soldier looks like armored peasant, while in the modern ones, they look like hyper armored warriors from chinese fantasy films. (I have a book about chinese army, their equipment looks very "simplistic" there)

Actually, I have to disagree. I would say that Gao Xixi's team did a good job on portraying the armor in the modern series, unlike what you might think, they are actually quite close to something that would be considered 'historical' for that era. The problem with illustrations of Chinese soldiers is there is very limited archaeological evidence of them (other than the large Qin terracotta army. Tang armor is the rarest item you will ever dig up, and even if you dig it up, it's mostly in fragments), and majority of the books with illustrations written before 2000 are quite basic. I doubt that people would think the Qin armor would look as they do without the evidence of the Terracotta armor. If I were to pick for armor, I would say a mix of both armor would be the best, or if I'd like to add, the armors from the movie Red Cliff (really excellent job, all of those armors are perfectly made and 99.99% historical (since no one knows how they exactly looked)

Here's a nice video demonstrating Han armor (and which we are mostly using as research material for our units), mostly illustrated by David Chen, who I say did an excellent job on these armors. (There's a whole series of these videos, in which you can see that they do get simpler as they head to the modern periods)

[cheesegrader]

i prefer the 1994 one, cause like you said had more specific detail mainly from the novel, but the 2010 is action pack which is nice but it lack the nostalgia feeling. if the visual from 2010 + clothing developed into the 1994 series it will be the best version in history lol. also the peter who play lu bu character from 2010 is so retarded i prefer the 1994 ruthless lu bu while show leadership quality, while the 2010 lu bu is self center even in the last moment talks about diao chan so annoying. I dont like series where females play such a huge part when in the novel they didnt elaborate a lot on so they just give them a bigger role.

[sickNsane]

Going based on realism and not "Dynasty Warriors, Rotk Games" I read before that Lubu was famous for his archery more then anything else. I admit that i originally became interested in this time period because of Dynasty warriors but since then i have read and watched tons of things about it all. I always craved more strategy then even the "Empires" Versions could give me! Then i found ROTK games and loved them but it was still missing alot. I love that the total war 2 engine was used for this! There is so much more complexity involved! I love shogun 2 but the 1v1 then 1v1 then 1v1 combat system and lack of depth compared to M2TW kills the experience a bit for me. The combat animations on single combat look great but when 3000 men are standing around taking turns fighting one man when hes completely surrounded by spear-man and he still kills 7-8 of them it really does remind me of a dynasty warriors game then lol

[Sint]

Actually, I have to disagree. I would say that Gao Xixi's team did a good job on portraying the armor in the modern series

Thing is that only few would have worn anything close to that armor and most soldiers would have worn simple leather armor or some sort of iron lamelar vest.It basicly gives foot soldiers armor that would have been worn by generals.
Btw. even later many soldiers would have worn leather armor.

[Seether]

Thing is that only few would have worn anything close to that armor and most soldiers would have worn simple leather armor or some sort of iron lamelar vest.It basicly gives foot soldiers armor that would have been worn by generals.
Btw. even later many soldiers would have worn leather armor.

I have to agree with this. First, it would it have been logistically impossible to arm tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of soldiers in full suits of elaborate armor. With how much the population declined during the era and how warfare ravaged the entire country for so long, I just don't see anyone having the capability of producing such armor on such a grand and efficient scale. Along with the fact that most (not all) soldiers during this era were poorly trained, and served as fodder, I don't see giving them armaments that were both highly time-and-resource consuming as being impractical. Also, archaeological evidence points to massed troops wearing quilted vest with a simple leather vest over top, along with a shield and weapon. Sure, some elite and important units would have had excellent armor, but the common battlefield pawn would have had the bare minimum when going into battle.

[Kiesennin]

Code it in descr_strat.text ,can we add Bienshi into this code

relative 	J-0101-CaoCao,	DingShi,	J-0124-CaoAng,	J-0129-CaoPi,	J-0125-CaoZhang,	J-0126-CaoZhi,	end

[Kiesennin]

This mod is historically accurate, I think you should start a big tutorial in [M2TW] Index of Modding Tutorials, Resources & Tools to create you own Gan Ning

But one thing confuse me is, in feudalism era male can have many wives. So family tree can show this ??
For exmaple: Cao Cao have some sons in game. Can Ang's mother is Dinhshi, Cao Pi & Cao Zhang's mother is Bianshi. But in family tree, all of them is Cao Cao's son with Dingshi

[Seether]

Unfortunately no. In the M2 engine, characters can only have 1 wife in the family tree. Also, if they have children, all children have to have the same mother. It's hardcoded.

[Kiesennin]

Unfortunately no. In the M2 engine, characters can only have 1 wife in the family tree. Also, if they have children, all children have to have the same mother. It's hardcoded.

I see. So we can change to J-0101-CaoCao, DingShi&Bianshi, J-0124-CaoAng, J-0129-CaoPi, J-0125-CaoZhang, J-0126-CaoZhi, end, right?

[Seether]

It doesn't quite work like that.

[sickNsane]

So if your wife dies you cant remarry and have more kids? i never noticed that.

[Seether]

We're only talking about what can be defined in descr_strat.