US: Another video surfaces with a US police officer shooting a handcuffed man

[Papay]

The incident happened last year, the policeman was not even charged and the video was hidden untill yesterday. Needless to say i would expect something like that to occur in a third world country not in US

[Sir Winston Churchill]

For once I'm taking the cop's side on this, barely. From another angle this video doesn't show, you can see when the civilian gets up he knocks into his pistol. It's hard to believe, but not totally impossible this was an accident.

[Roma_Victrix]

For once I'm taking the cop's side on this, barely. From another angle this video doesn't show, you can see when the civilian gets up he knocks into his pistol. It's hard to believe, but not totally impossible this was an accident.

Nah, I don't think so. When the shot was fired the guy was just wiggling around on the ground like a worm on a hook, like a fish out of water, etc. He wasn't even standing when he was shot. He was in no way, shape, or form a threat to the police officer's life, therefore a fatal shot should have never been fired.

The cop should be fired...and face litigation, naturally.

[Imperial]

The cop should be fired...and face litigation, naturally.

Nothing will happen. He'll get a paid vacation and maybe a class on firearms safety....MAYBE.

Police are the only people in this country that can kill you and get away with it.

[justicar5]

Nothing will happen. He'll get a paid vacation and maybe a class on firearms safety....MAYBE.

Police are the only people in this country that can kill you and get away with it.

You forgot high ranking people in the 'financial sector'

[GreyFox]

For once I'm taking the cop's side on this, barely. From another angle this video doesn't show, you can see when the civilian gets up he knocks into his pistol. It's hard to believe, but not totally impossible this was an accident.

Doesn't look accidental. The officers get knocked off the prisoner, the guy in black pulls his firearm, aims and shoots the prisoner while he is rolling around on the ground.

Image below is about 0.5 seconds before the shot, while the prisoner is rolling away from the officer in black. Click on it to see it slightly bigger - is just a screengrab of the youtube video.

[Elemental]

Looked like he had a psychotic episode. Too bad when a mental illness is gonna get you killed by unproffesional cops. Accident or not, if they could not handle him they should never have moved him.

[Sphere]

Police are the only people in this country that can kill you and get away with it.

They aren't the only ones.

[Macunaíma]

Typical coward cop. Put a control obsessed dirt bag in a uniform and this is what you get. Deserved to get stripped of his gun and badge and thrown in the middle of the slum to a good beating. Goddamn pigs.

[snuggans]

dude was on bath salts apparently and had already been rejected out of a local jail and a mental institution for causing trouble and attacking other people.

still i agree that this video should be propagated as much as possible, the officer messed up. el paso police department messed up. the city attorney messed up. they should all be held accountable. no sedatives, no nightsticks, not even a pistol whip? he's handcuffed, he isn't going anywhere. just seems like El Paso is trying to hide this.

[Seether]

Whether the shooting was an accident or not (from what I have seen, it likely was an accident), the officer should have NEVER pulled his sidearm on a prisoner who was handcuffed behind his back. Physical restraint techniques, OC, baton, taser... any of those non-lethal methods should have been employed on the subject. Pulling his sidearm, and pointing it at the prisoner, was well beyond the scope of force level needed (even if he was crazed out on bath salts) to get the guy under control. He never should have pulled his gun in the first place, and if he hadn't then there was no way for it to accidently go off and kill the guy. The officer is at fault for the killing for his negligence and creation of the situation that led to the prisoner's death.

Typical coward cop. Put a control obsessed dirt bag in a uniform and this is what you get. Deserved to get stripped of his gun and badge and thrown in the middle of the slum to a good beating. Goddamn pigs.

Yeah, cuz all cops are pieces of ... Dude, chill out with that nonsense.

[Heathen Hammer]

Nothing surprising here. In America you are more likely to get killed by a cop, then by a "terrorist".

[Seether]

Funnily enough, Joe, the same can be said about Canada.

[Condottiere 40K]

Americans appear to have paramilitarized their law enforcement agencies, which may stem in part to both the Sheriff/Marshal mythology and modern entertainment media.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

No, no, no. When I say "civillian" I mean the other guy in grey, not the cop in black. Here's a video from it in another angle, skip to 0:35

[Adar]

This really doesn't look good. I could of course be swayed by a really good explanation but it really doesn't look good like this.

It does however provide a good example of what happens to asphalt when someone gets shot on it.

[Kissaki]

Definitely accidental, which is made clear in the second video (he doesn't even have the time to aim before shooting, after drawing the gun), but a stupid and unnecessary accident. For those who insist it was deliberate: why does the same cop attempt CPR afterwards?

[GreyFox]

Definitely accidental, which is made clear in the second video (he doesn't even have the time to aim before shooting, after drawing the gun), but a stupid and unnecessary accident. For those who insist it was deliberate: why does the same cop attempt CPR afterwards?

Because he realised the gravity of his actions?

[Kissaki]

Because he realised the gravity of his actions?

That's pretty thin. You really think it is more likely that he intended to shoot, and in a vital region at that, completely forgetting all procedure and the fact that there was a witness standing right next to him, only afterward to realize he'd made a booboo? And why didn't he take time to aim, if that were the case? To me it seems far more plausible that he drew his gun in order to threaten the detainee, and it went off accidentally. Utterly stupid regardless of how it went down, of course, but assuming he intended to shoot the victim postulates an absent-mindedness far beyond the plausible, in my opinion.

Edit: According to a Daily Mail article, the accident went down as follows:

"Once outside, the shirtless man struggles against Officer Jose Flores and another guard who lose control of him - causing Flores to reach first for his taser, then stop and instead pull his gun which goes off when the guard knocks his trigger finger."

And looking at the second video, that's exactly what it looks like.

[Vítor Gaspar]

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What, this is not in lawless South America? You mean dozens of videos of policemen shooting neutralised people in just two months is something that constantly happens in the United States and not, say, in Rio de Janeiro's favelas or something?

Goddamn, you're ruining my stereotypes.