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    Yo, what's Rasmussen smoking? and where can i get some of that good ? Colorado?



    it's one thing when politicians claim all sorts of stupid things but seriously? Russia? behind the growing anti fracking and environmentalist movement in Europe and the US?
    Russia 'secretly working with environmentalists to oppose fracking'

    Nato chief, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, says Moscow mounting disinformation campaign to maintain reliance on Russian gas

    The head of one of the world’s leading groups of democratic nations has accused Russia of undermining projects using hydraulic fracturing technology in Europe.
    Anders Fogh Rasmussen, secretary-general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato), and former premier of Denmark, told the Chatham House thinktank in London on Thursday that Vladimir Putin’s government was behind attempts to discredit fracking, according to reports.

    Rasmussen said: “I have met allies who can report that Russia, as part of their sophisticated information and disinformation operations, engaged actively with so-called non-governmental organisations - environmental organisations working against shale gas - to maintain European dependence on imported Russian gas.”

    He declined to give details of those operations, saying: “That is my interpretation.”
    Fracking, a process that involves blasting dense shale rocks with a high-pressure mixture of water, sand and chemicals to release the tiny bubbles of natural gas trapped within, has been the subject of protests in the UK and other parts of Europe, and is opposed by many environmental groups.
    It has been associated with methane leaks and the pollution of water sources in the US, and green campaigners fear that it will lead to a rise in the use of fossil fuels, exacerbating global warming.
    Rasmussen made clear that fracking should be used, in his view, to increase Europe’s energy security, by providing a new source of gas and oil supply.
    Nato's press office said the remarks were Rasmussen's personal views, not official policy.

    Nato was originally formed at the start of the cold war as an alliance of western states, including the US and many European nations, and historically has often opposed Russia. Rasmussen himself has spoken out previously against Russia's actions in Ukraine.

    A Nato official told the Guardian that Russia's influence on energy supplies was causing problems for Europe. The official said: "We don't go into the details of discussions among allied leaders, but Russia has been using a mix of hard and soft power in its attempt to recreate a sphere of influence, including through a campaign of disinformation on many issues, including energy. In general, the potential for Russia using energy supplies as a means of putting pressure on European nations is a matter of concern. No country should use supply and pricing terms as tools of coercion.
    "As energy supplies and routes are an issue mostly for the EU, we count on the EU to take into account the new security realities in Europe and look at whether there is a need to review diversifying energy sources and expanding energy infrastructure. Clearly, it is in the interest of all Nato allies to be able to have adequate energy supplies. This is critical to our economies, our security and our prosperity. We share a concern by some allies that Russia could try to obstruct possible projects on shale gas exploration in Europe in order to maintain Europe’s reliance on Russian gas."

    Surveys in the UK have found that there is a potentially large supply of shale gas and oil, perhaps enough to fulfil gas needs for several decades, though it is unclear how much of that can be profitably extracted. No shale gas has yet been produced in the UK.

    Russia, a major source of international gas supplies, recently signed a $400bn deal with China to supply gas for decades to come, and has threatened to cut off gas supplies to Ukraine, emphasising its willingness to exploit its dominant position in fossil fuel markets for political ends.

    But the future of fracking in Europe is less clear than Rasmussen acknowledged.
    The Polish government’s leading fracking expert recently told the Guardian that geology, rather than political concerns, was likely to be the main obstacle.

    Katarzyna Kacperczyk, under-secretary of state for non-European policy and public and economic diplomacy in the Polish foreign ministry, and its leading voice on fracking, told the Guardian: “It is all about geology, whether you can extract the gas. Different parts of the world have different geologies.”
    She said that there was “political will” to explore fracking in the country, but that even so there was no guarantee that Poland would be able to access its shale gas reserves. Poland is thought to have some of the best shale gas formations in Europe, but attempts to exploit it have so far come to nothing, though companies are still trying.
    In the US, the development of modern fracking technology has led to a boom in gas production, but that situation may not be easily replicated in other, more densely populated countries, with differing geologies.
    Green groups were swift to attack Rasmussen’s views, saying that they were not involved in any alleged Russian attempts to discredit the technology, and were instead opposed to it on the grounds of environmental sustainability.
    “The idea we’re puppets of Putin is so preposterous that you have to wonder what they’re smoking over at Nato HQ,” said Greenpeace, which has a history of antagonism with the Russian government, which arrested several of its activists on a protest in the Arctic last year.
    Andrew Pendleton, a campaigner at Friends of the Earth, added: “Perhaps the Russians are worried about our huge wind and solar potential and have infiltrated the UK government.”
    Source: http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ppose-fracking

    if it was some low level NATO manager, noone would bat an eyelid but this is coming from the head honcho of nato command.

    PErhaps the powers that be ie Rasmussen's handlers are worried that fracking will be continually be blocked in most western countries, leaving them out in the cold when all of that delicious fracking money opportunties are wasted.
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    Rasmussen '16.
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    While I wouldn't say they are 'behind it' or masterminding it. I can definitely see them throwing money at groups that oppose it. When I was in Prague we used to get protests about the US putting a ballistic missile shield radar station in the Czech Republic. Average Czechs didn't seem to care, though. Then in briefings we find out the group organizing the protests and gatherings was the Czech Communist party. And the people funneling them most of their money was Russia lol. Most of the protests were small and stupid. Dozen or so people. But once they organized quite a few and marched from Wenceslaus square to the embassy in a big procession to deliver some kind of written declaration of some kind. They marched up the street, got to the embassy, and as our RSO won't out to accept their letter they all dispersed. They didn't even deliver the letter. They hung around less than five minutes in front of the embassy.

    Anyway, moral of the story is if you think backing domestic opposition groups in a particular country in order to prevent or hinder said country from doing something since its not in your best interests then you're being narrow-minded. Anything is possible in that realm. That's how the game works. It's probably not meant to be decisive. Just irritating.

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    I wonder how much money Shell gave him to say that? Or did they pay in Ogoni women or children? Their are massive problems with fracking, as can be seen with the devastation of ground water where it is being done, the fact that it is the worse kind of energy we could be using (even nuclear is better), the toxic crap it spews out, etc etc.
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    But they won't let us use nuclear.

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    There are two aspects, price control and economic benefit.

    If the Americans frack themselves, it will keep global energy markets fairly cheap regardless whether the Europeans do any backyard drilling, and screw with the Russian state budget.

    Economic benefit scaled against environmental impact and NIMBYism might succeed in the British Isles, but less likely on the continent in countries with finicky electorates.
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    The anti-fracking protesters in Romania are funded by the Russians, so I won't be surprised if some of the Russian money also found their way into Greenpeace's accounts.
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    To be fair, if a car passes by an drives over puddle, putting dirt on Rasmussen's pants, he'd blame Russia for it. It is the old Cold War mentality in which a lot of Western figures still live in.
    I won't even go into details about how Russian government doesn't give a dusty about environment. However, Western elites would want to silence any opposition in Western countries, by trying to link any dissent to mysterious "Russian support". Welcome to 1984.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    To be fair, if a car passes by an drives over puddle, putting dirt on Rasmussen's pants, he'd blame Russia for it. It is the old Cold War mentality in which a lot of Western figures still live in.
    I won't even go into details about how Russian government doesn't give a dusty about environment. However, Western elites would want to silence any opposition in Western countries, by trying to link any dissent to mysterious "Russian support". Welcome to 1984.
    Who said anything about Russia caring for the environment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    To be fair, if a car passes by an drives over puddle, putting dirt on Rasmussen's pants, he'd blame Russia for it. It is the old Cold War mentality in which a lot of Western figures still live in.
    I won't even go into details about how Russian government doesn't give a dusty about environment. However, Western elites would want to silence any opposition in Western countries, by trying to link any dissent to mysterious "Russian support". Welcome to 1984.
    Lol, it has nothing to do with whether or not the Russians care about the environment. Very shallow analysis and sad attempt to pin the tale on 'elites' and make a 1984 reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    But they won't let us use nuclear.
    You are presenting the issue as if we only could chose between a stinking pile of and an abysmal stinking pile of without any other alternatives. There are a lot of options that don't necessitate poisoning our environment or finding save shelters to store our radioactive waste for the next few thousand years.

    Statistically how probable is it that we find a place where the political and geological situation will be stable enough to store radioactive waste for a time that is longer than human civilization existed ?
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    Rasmussen is crazy calling Russia's propaganda machine "sophisticated". literally some of the worst crap i've seen, it's sometimes so bad that it feels like they are cracking a joke and sort of laughing at themselves. Praviy sektor business cards? christ sakes, sophisticated?

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    Rasmussen, why is he still there? why this meaningless man is still sitting on his chair? Why NATO? We don't need NATO anymore, NATO is useless, it's no more an Alliance, its objective are totally outdated, today each country does what it wants, Germany always says 'Nein', France sometime is 'in' and sometime is 'out' whenever they like, we would need an European Army maybe with a centralized command, NATO is an ancient useless tool belonging to the past, even G. Bush had understood this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    Their are massive problems with fracking, as can be seen with the devastation of ground water where it is being done, the fact that it is the worse kind of energy we could be using (even nuclear is better), the toxic crap it spews out, etc etc.


    The lack of transparency from the energy companies fuels the speculation and paranoia. But this is changing, with Texas of all states taking the lead.

    Great slide. If only the hippies could see that it isn't an all-or-nothing game.
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...386593#slide-7
    According to the Department of Energy, if the transportation sector switched to natural gas, it would cut the nation's carbon-monoxide emissions by at least 90 percent, carbon-dioxide emissions by 25 and nitrogen-oxide emissions by up to 60.
    Please view the other slides too.

    Nuclear is one of the cleanest forms of energy. Except you have to bury the waste and its going to last forever. I don't really have a problem with it. Although due to the need for quintuple redundancy on the safety systems...... nuke isn't cheap, its not even economically viable. The reason we still use coal and oil fired plants is because its still stupidly cheap to run them. Switching to natural gas is only slighly more expensive than coal and the emissions put out by NG are far less destructive than those of coal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    Rasmussen '16.
    Hell no, we need him to come back and clean out Christiansborg Parlament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diocle View Post
    Rasmussen, why is he still there? why this meaningless man is still sitting on his chair? Why NATO? We don't need NATO anymore, NATO is useless, it's no more an Alliance, its objective are totally outdated, today each country does what it wants, Germany always says 'Nein', France sometime is 'in' and sometime is 'out' whenever they like, we would need an European Army maybe with a centralized command, NATO is an ancient useless tool belonging to the past, even G. Bush had understood this.
    As a Northerner I'd never trade NATO for some complete toothless and incompetent alliance run(ruined) by Southerns. European Army is a joke, a bad one too.
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    Which is kinda nothing considering Obama's attempt to start a second Cold War so that he can sell us his expensive crap.
    Can we please quit NATO? The US are as much of a threat as Russia at this point.

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    So Russia is funding Comunist and far left parties too? on top of the far right parties? wonderfull.

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    Yeah, Russia is the new Jew.

    Quote Originally Posted by Holger Danske View Post

    As a Northerner I'd never trade NATO for some complete toothless and incompetent alliance run(ruined) by Southerns. European Army is a joke, a bad one too.
    You prefer to be used as a cannon fodder or human shield by the US and therefore Israel? You really don't value your country that much.
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    On the plus side, if you ignore the issues that the Kremlin have the NGOs pushing, and pa attention to the ones that you believe have some relevance that are also being promoted, it's easy money to fund them without our needing to contribute to their kitty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dromikaites View Post
    The anti-fracking protesters in Romania are funded by the Russians, so I won't be surprised if some of the Russian money also found their way into Greenpeace's accounts.
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