Isn't the Moria scene in the Fellowship kind of dumb? (some nitpicking)

If I remember correctly hundreds of orcs and goblins attack the fellowship in Moria AFTER Pippin drops that bucket. Basically the movie and the book imply that the noise caused by he fall is what lures the army.

Well that's kind of dumb, are you seriously telling me that an entire host of orcs and goblins was just siting and waiting for the smallest sound to pop and run to the exact place of the intruders.

1.I'm sure the goblins and orcs constantly droop things there, even in the great halls with a lot of echo.
2.I'm also sure that other stuff simply falls from time to time.
3.If they really want to check is it an intruder, why isn't there a scouting party or something, of only a few "solders". Surely orcs and goblins don't walk around whole day in armor.

The only plausible explanation is that they heard Gandalf yelling and knew for certain it's an intruder.

A scouting party could've encountered them as they bumbled around like idiots and then informed the rest who ambushed them when they get to the tomb and afterwards. Gandalf had his staff light on too which would've attracted attention in such a dark area, and I'd imagine the Goblins had adapted better eyesight in the dark conditions and would notice it easier.

Maybe Tolkien wanted to imply Gandalf's vanity and immense ego since he blamed Pippin for the mess.

He smoked too much of the halflings leaf. Saruman was right!

It seems to be more implied that it was the noise that caused them to come because the goblins started beating thier drums right after. Maybe they knew the part of Moria that Balin's tomb was should have been abandoned and were ultra concerned about Dwarfs or others coming to see what had happened to Balin's party.

You're asking for military logic in a Hollywood, well Wellywood, film?
The same film that had cavalry charge a pike formation head on because... light!

Originally Posted by Manco

You're asking for military logic in a Hollywood, well Wellywood, film?
The same film that had cavalry charge a pike formation head on because... light!

this!

Originally Posted by The Despondent Mind

If I remember correctly hundreds of orcs and goblins attack the fellowship in Moria AFTER Pippin drops that bucket. Basically the movie and the book imply that the noise caused by he fall is what lures the army.

Well that's kind of dumb, are you seriously telling me that an entire host of orcs and goblins was just siting and waiting for the smallest sound to pop and run to the exact place of the intruders.

1.I'm sure the goblins and orcs constantly droop things there, even in the great halls with a lot of echo.
2.I'm also sure that other stuff simply falls from time to time.
3.If they really want to check is it an intruder, why isn't there a scouting party or something, of only a few "solders". Surely orcs and goblins don't walk around whole day in armor.

The only plausible explanation is that they heard Gandalf yelling and knew for certain it's an intruder.

Depends what you want to talk about book or movie. From a book perspective the fellowship passed a sealed gate that already had a nasty guard and was not exactly making a big splash. The gate needed no guard I doubt the lurker was selective. Yes Pip's mistake is important but I think it not unreasonable in the book context to consider a Wizard, 3 swords forged or reforged by the Noldor and the One ring was always likely to get some attention sooner or later.

Its also true that the movie plays up the number of orcs by many factors, in the books the fellowship seems to be running into sort of what is at hand at the movement and what can get to them.

The hell was that Watcher anyway?

Since I have never watched a moment of the Fellowship of The Ring that takes prior to the "Speak Friend" bit, if you insult the events of Moria then you insult the entire movie!

Originally Posted by The Despondent Mind

If I remember correctly hundreds of orcs and goblins attack the fellowship in Moria AFTER Pippin drops that bucket. Basically the movie and the book imply that the noise caused by he fall is what lures the army.

Well that's kind of dumb, are you seriously telling me that an entire host of orcs and goblins was just siting and waiting for the smallest sound to pop and run to the exact place of the intruders.

1.I'm sure the goblins and orcs constantly droop things there, even in the great halls with a lot of echo.
2.I'm also sure that other stuff simply falls from time to time.
3.If they really want to check is it an intruder, why isn't there a scouting party or something, of only a few "solders". Surely orcs and goblins don't walk around whole day in armor.

The only plausible explanation is that they heard Gandalf yelling and knew for certain it's an intruder.

Or you know.. the orcs knew the Fellowship was there due to the friking gates being smashed and the watcher being disturbed, but they did not know where. Moria is insanely big.

The fellowship was forced into Moria, they expected it to be met with Dwarves. Gimis relatives (And still they were redundant to go in it, instead braving Cadadras), But once they got into it, the exit was sealed by the guardian, so they had no option but traverse it although they realized the orcs occupied it.

The hell was that Watcher anyway?

A creature from the subterranean deapts even bellow Moria. One of the lakes Gandalf and the Balrog falls into in the movies.

It's all Gandalf's fault really. He just walked around like a retard cause he forgot or something. Smoking sure got his memory in a fuzz.

Or there was like 500 years between the times he went in, and he forgot one passageway.

A creature from the subterranean deapts even bellow Moria. One of the lakes Gandalf and the Balrog falls into in the movies.

In a bit of dialoge that was deleted from the book Tolkien briefly had Gimili mention old stories about the deepest mines having something called stranglers in the dark.

Originally Posted by The Despondent Mind

If I remember correctly hundreds of orcs and goblins attack the fellowship in Moria AFTER Pippin drops that bucket. Basically the movie and the book imply that the noise caused by he fall is what lures the army.

Well that's kind of dumb, are you seriously telling me that an entire host of orcs and goblins was just siting and waiting for the smallest sound to pop and run to the exact place of the intruders.

1.I'm sure the goblins and orcs constantly droop things there, even in the great halls with a lot of echo.
2.I'm also sure that other stuff simply falls from time to time.
3.If they really want to check is it an intruder, why isn't there a scouting party or something, of only a few "solders". Surely orcs and goblins don't walk around whole day in armor.

The only plausible explanation is that they heard Gandalf yelling and knew for certain it's an intruder.

The orcs cam from below. For years, probably no one came in the upper levels. When they heard a noise coming from above they came up to check it out. The sound came from the royal tomb so they knew it could have been someone important, hence, the host and not just one scouting party.

The host was just the vanguard anyway. And yes, Orcs keep armored guards.

In a bit of dialoge that was deleted from the book Tolkien briefly had Gimili mention old stories about the deepest mines having something called stranglers in the dark

I think the creature get its fair description in the book at least. Gandalf does allude to meeting "indescribable horrors" and "ancient creatures" in the days he spent chasing the Balrog around, even the balrog turned into "a thing of slime, stronger than a strangling snake"

The Goblins were all to hungover on Dwarven ale to chase but after that bucket sent their heads spinning they had to get vengeance. The drums were just to keep them that angry.

I think it's plausible enough that what you see is a scouting party + active guard with troll and the other couple of hundred guys showing up in the main halls is the garrison for the front gate when the ruckus gets really out of hand. And messengers from the scout party told them about intruders in Balin's tomb.

Originally Posted by The Despondent Mind

If I remember correctly hundreds of orcs and goblins attack the fellowship in Moria AFTER Pippin drops that bucket. Basically the movie and the book imply that the noise caused by he fall is what lures the army.

Well that's kind of dumb, are you seriously telling me that an entire host of orcs and goblins was just siting and waiting for the smallest sound to pop and run to the exact place of the intruders.

1.I'm sure the goblins and orcs constantly droop things there, even in the great halls with a lot of echo.
2.I'm also sure that other stuff simply falls from time to time.
3.If they really want to check is it an intruder, why isn't there a scouting party or something, of only a few "solders". Surely orcs and goblins don't walk around whole day in armor.

The only plausible explanation is that they heard Gandalf yelling and knew for certain it's an intruder.

Fool of a took! Throw yourself in next time and rid us of your stupidity.

It was all a case of coincidence. There just happened to be an Orc army passing through.