ally declares war on another ally or on my clientstate...reliability drop?

[PonySlaystation]

as the title says: is the reliability lowered even when i always join the defending ally/client state (upper button to join the war, not the lower one to break the alliance)? so should i get rid of the alliances/client states when i can do it without penalty?

i conquered every major faction and have completed every other objective of the economic victory and i am trying to raise my reliability for like 100 turns now. but nothing helped, i am still "unreliable" which is probably the lowest rating. i am just passive and waiting (i am at peace and declaring no war unless an ally askes me to) but i have the feeling when an ally declares war on my satrapy/another ally its a lose/lose situation for me because the reliability rating always drops (i couldnt explain why else i am still "unreliable" after so much turns...).

i am desperately trying to finish my carthage campaign with DeI 0.85 and the economic victory but i have a huge problem to reach my 25 trade partners. i guess the main reason is that i am unreliable in the diplomacy screen so actually no faction (with some exceptions) wants to trade with me even when i gift them for several turns (i had 800 positive diplomacy-rating with this faction) and gave them 500k dinarii, but "computer says no!"
so my goal atm is to reach any higher diplomacy rating than "unreliable". i made some mistakes in the midgame (i was steadfast pretty long) but when i realized the victory is close i just tried to liberate factions i can trade with...problem is i completely undererstimated the reliability i was at 23 trading partners but then the hell broke lose (pretty much total war ) and now i am stuck at 15 trading partners (but have actually 15 factions who like me but just dont want to trade with me).

http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/...9C837E3FB9521/

[Matmannen]

Yeah, the problem is in the Rome II diplomacy system, and I think this problem has been found in all total war titles (why doen't CA just fix it already). For some stupid reason CA forgot to have the diplomacy system account for shared treaties. The problem is that the system looks at all treaties as solo treaties, like if you attack an faction and their ally join the system doesn't count this as one big decleration of war, but multiple. This means that when you choose to defend an ally being attacked by another ally the system counts this as you join a war for one of your allies, and that you betray your ally and go to war with them. I remember the most stupid thing that happend was as egypt when my militairy ally attacked my satrapy, and this means that they attacked me, so then when I choose to defend my lands, the system counts this as me betraying them, while in reality they betrayed me by attacking my lands...

Yeah, if you didn't know, I say that Satrp is my lands because that's what they are. The satrapies was an administrative system first created by Cyrus the great inorder to more effectivly govern his multicultural realm, basically they are glorified client kings...

[antred]

Yeah, I brought this up myself a few weeks ago -> http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...her&highlight=

Just another case of CA being incompetent twits.

[blub19]

also as barkia i abused it, as i didn't declare war, but asked to join and the ai ally of my target didn't resonded et all. I think the system handles declarations and joining difrent.