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    Baldos's Avatar Tiro
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    Default Why is Syracuse such a power house?

    I have started 3 games as Rome v9 and in all three Syracuse is kicking Rome and Carthage in the rear!

    It takes Sicily from Carthage and then invades north Africa. In one game it also attached Rome with 2 armies and a fleet!

    How can a one city nation get such a large military?

    I have restarted again and will again until I take Syracuse out before it starts its war with Carthage.

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    Default Re: Why is Syracuse such a power house?

    +1 dumb AI just cant play as Carthage

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    You could try the Guaranteed Major Faction Empires mod (Steam version) which aims to stop major factions being destroyed by minor ones as a temporary fix. As far as I can tell it is compatible with DEI.

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    Why? Maybe Syracuse has a superior unit roster, especially during early game which gives them a huge advantage over it's fellow AI.

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    Economy barely matters to the AI on VH I think, so carthage and romes big advantages in territory and income don't end up mattering much in the face of syracuse being well positioned with a strong starting roster and the fact that it can concentrate its units so easily.

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    It's true, Syracuse kicks Cathaginian butt 9 times out of 10.
    I actually make Syracuse an Ally since they hold Carthage at bay and keeps that front occupied. They will never actually destroy Carthage.
    In every game I have played 200+ turns Carthage and the other African Factions reclaim Africa and Syracuse will be a walk in the park when you are done with the other fronts.
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    It also didn't help when CA made them playable they gave them more starting units. Also, they normally ally with Rome early so have freedom to go smacking people around. Lastly, Carthage doesn't seem to consider Sicily a priority.

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    I have never seen syracruse do anything other than get destroyed by carthage. I always go down there as sparta and liberate them. Luck of the draw i guess

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    THe same happen with Massila they overun all neigbores easy. Last time they show up in Paonnia and Illyira after overrun alpins and casaplina. Because get so mutch strong Start units. Is it Possible to make them a bit passive like give them a no agression packt with the neigbores of them

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    Default Re: Why is Syracuse such a power house?

    I'm having an interesting campaign so far as rome, I allied with syracuse so they got a bit over excited and decided to take on the whole of N. Africa. They took carthage and the town to the south but then the masaeyli have started taking them and sicily back and liberating them. They've had their fun now though, I'm sending 2 legions to put them in their place after convincing syracuse to become a client state.

    Massalia do seem to be kicking ass this time but it's not been a regular occurrence though, in my last campaign the Averni formed a confederation and took most of iberia, gaul and a swathe of germania.

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    If I have learned anything over the past 9 months of modding, it is that every campaign is very different. That is why you get so many different posts asking why a certain faction did a certain thing. It is just the way Rome 2 works.

    Other than Mitch's Major Factions mod (which highly reduces the dynamic nature of the campaign, some prefer this), it really isn't possible to guarantee an experience. I think thats a good and bad thing. Each campaign can have its surprises, but you may not get the historical empires you want everytime.

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    Personally I liked the Ai in Empire TW. They had their wars some minor nations won, some major ones ended up losing, but overall it took a long time for factions to disappear. I like random and dynamic campaigns, but I also like fighting the historical enemies and campaigns. If I remember Empire right, the major nations had more agressive behaviour then minor ones, so that they would survive. I think it was coded that the AI won't take out the very last settlement of the other major enemy. Though the Netherlands and Maratha were excluded.

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    Default Re: Why is Syracuse such a power house?

    Yes Syracuse usually dominates for the first 10 to 15 turns, but after that it is annihilated by Carthage/Africa... do you play the campaign long enough to notice this? I've played a Roman campaign which showed the rise and fall of Syracuse, Carthage (then rise again), Epirus, Boii, Suebi... I've taken a screenshot of every spring turn for 100 years, which is around 400 turns. I'm in process of creating a short movie which shows how factions expand / fall and vice versa. The first 15 turns don't matter, because the AI cannot handle large empires, so eventually they will fall, only to rise again.

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    Default Re: Why is Syracuse such a power house?

    Syracuse starts with much stronger units, and enough money for a full stack of troops.

    RTW:2 doesn't really model the manpower advantage that Rome had over its opponents. If it did, they'd be able to recruit like 8 units in a turn from Rome, similar to the nomadic bonus.

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    I play on legendary.
    Syracuse have always good start, they take lilibaeum and one of africa province city. After some time cartage take them off and take lilly and syracuse. They left in africa and die soon.

    I play three difrent campaing right now.

    Always macedon, epir, selucids die in firts 50 turns too many enemy around.

    I play around 15 campaing and never had chanse to fight against mecadeon,epir, selucides ;(.

    This is not random they just too weak too defend from they enemy

    Egypt expand very quickly in the east, too place where is rodos.

    Most of my campaing are the same i play only rome and those same nations die and those same left.

    He


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    Default Re: Why is Syracuse such a power house?

    You could try the historical development mod...

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    Just so you know. Syracuse just got wiped out by Carthage in my Rome campaign, for the first time ever.
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