When the overhaul to eastern/steppe factions comes remember this

[Tundra98]

OVERHAUL THE GOD DAMNED ARMY RECRUITMENT ALSO. i just HATE the horse spam of the steppe nomads/parthia. Radious already did this, and if DeI manages to also end the horsespam (which personally keeps me away from conquering the east), this would be the absolute ruler of all mods

EDIT: when i say i hate the horse spam, i mean the horse archer spam, nomads should have both shock cav (or melee, i really dont know) and archers Parthia didnt consist on only horse archers tho, they had something called infatry xD

[RandomRoman]

i just HATE the horse spam of the steppe nomads/parthia.

are you Marcus licinius crassus?

[lonewolf90]

isnt horse based army especially horse archer, the unique characteristic of eastern/nomad factions?

[dowdpride]

are you Marcus licinius crassus?

I see what you did there. I wonder if OP likes gold, the Parthians have some for him.

[casualties]

I see what you did there. I wonder if OP likes gold, the Parthians have some for him.

that's good history

[antred]

I see what you did there. I wonder if OP likes gold, the Parthians have some for him.

Except the army Crassus encountered was not at all a typical Parthian army but rather one that was specifically mission-tailored by Surena (who had used the previous months to thoroughly recon the Roman invasion force and analyze its strengths and weaknesses).

[Krist]

are you Marcus licinius crassus?

hohohoho icwhatudidthere

[KAM 2150]

Yeah, because it is completly unhistorical for Nomads to use horse arches instead of good, old tribal infantry Yes, they are annoying, but that is the point of nomadic nations. If horsespam keeps you away from conquering the east, then you have clear answer why those lands were not conquered even if their inhabitants were constalty raiding nearby lands. Just man up, build proper army and raize their lands to the grounds, best possible solution for the problem. Man up, bring 2-4 stacks on each one of theirs and profit.

[Tundra98]

Yeah, because it is completly unhistorical for Nomads to use horse arches instead of good, old tribal infantry Yes, they are annoying, but that is the point of nomadic nations. If horsespam keeps you away from conquering the east, then you have clear answer why those lands were not conquered even if their inhabitants were constalty raiding nearby lands. Just man up, build proper army and raize their lands to the grounds, best possible solution for the problem. Man up, bring 2-4 stacks on each one of theirs and profit.

you are not understanding xD i HATE the horsespam........ the archer only horsespam. i dont want any heavy tribal nomadic infantry or so xD i just want a good mix of shock cav and archers (THAT is a good nomad army), not just retarded archer spam ik that nomads didnt have core infantry units, but were cav heavy instead

[Don_Diego]

Lol, very well put KAM! Not the horse archers problem his wimpy army can't deal with them... Man up! Though I agree about point that missile units should decimate them but only when they get too close and linger.

[Dresden]

We have overhauled army recruitment, if you read the patch notes. Every faction now has multiple templates.

Also, demanding things in caps is not the best way to get us to respond positively

[Tundra98]

We have overhauled army recruitment, if you read the patch notes. Every faction now has multiple templates.

Also, demanding things in caps is not the best way to get us to respond positively

orly? thanks man! srry for caps, i just got a lil bit 2 excited xD

[Creslin49]

Horse spam had alot of drawbacks that aren't really replicated well by the game. Horses eat a ton, horses are hard to train, horses should probably use similar mechanics to elephants where they can run wild. They are very particular to terrain, none of that is really accounted for in game, so we get horses fighting in thick forest, jammed into huge hordes in city streets without getting spooked, and all in big cheap early game horse armies.

[Anonymous_Jones]

Horse spam had alot of drawbacks that aren't really replicated well by the game. Horses eat a ton, horses are hard to train, horses should probably use similar mechanics to elephants where they can run wild. They are very particular to terrain, none of that is really accounted for in game, so we get horses fighting in thick forest, jammed into huge hordes in city streets without getting spooked, and all in big cheap early game horse armies.

This is replicated by upkeep costs I presume.

[KAM 2150]

Horses have penalties when fighting in forests.

[gornoviceanu]

Just get an army composed of a solid heavy spear main line, some skirmish and light spears for flanks and 4-6 archer / sling units and watch those horse archers die like flies or kamikaze charge your spear line

[KAM 2150]

For me so far the best way was to field my own horse archers or some foot archers/slingers. Trick is to focus fire of 3-4 units on 1 enemy unit, it is ridiculous how fast it kills entire units compared to those 3-4 units just shooting to different units.

Important thing about hit system in Rome 2, fireing from angle can do serious damage, not only point blank from the side or back. Best way to get past enemy shields is to order your archers not to fire on enemy ahead but to one on the side.

[blub19]

because of the arc shooting I got quite good results whith just chargeing with very light cavalry like the cheepest of baktria. I get about 3 enermy units to rout before my men run.

[Litharion]

OVERHAUL THE GOD DAMNED ARMY RECRUITMENT ALSO. i just HATE the horse spam of the steppe nomads/parthia. Radious already did this, and if DeI manages to also end the horsespam (which personally keeps me away from conquering the east), this would be the absolute ruler of all mods
EDIT: when i say i hate the horse spam, i mean the horse archer spam, nomads should have both shock cav (or melee, i really dont know) and archers Parthia didnt consist on only horse archers tho, they had something called infatry xD

to answer your question or demand:
Parthia and the nomadic factions were famous for their horse archers and their armies mostly consisted of mounted archers.
Their will be some changes to Parthia after the overhaul, but the baseline will stay the same as it is historical accurate and challenging for the player.

for the nomadic factions
I will not change that at all. The nomadic factions currently have 3 completely reworked and independent army compositions:

1.Their main focus are horse archers and they will prefer armies with mounted archers and limited melee/shock cavalry
2.They are also able to build an army with more melee/shock cav and a fewer number of horse archers
3. The last AI army choice is an infantry supporting army with archers/spear/melee units together with a limited variation of cavalry

Every army composition has a specific ratio, for the nomadic AI horse archer cavalry armies have a high priority

regarding Parthia, they have 3 army templates as well and one with purely infantry and another with some mixed in melee infantry and one with purely cavalry.

[Summary]

OVERHAUL THE GOD DAMNED ARMY RECRUITMENT ALSO. i just HATE the horse spam of the steppe nomads/parthia. Radious already did this, and if DeI manages to also end the horsespam (which personally keeps me away from conquering the east), this would be the absolute ruler of all mods

EDIT: when i say i hate the horse spam, i mean the horse archer spam, nomads should have both shock cav (or melee, i really dont know) and archers Parthia didnt consist on only horse archers tho, they had something called infatry xD

Normadic factions are actually cavalry intensive. Horse archers were the main and core unit of the horde. For this reason they were very hard to defeat by conventional armies. They also had no base of operation and were constantly on the move so they were very hard to track down and eliminate. They lived off the land, they traveled upon. However, in the game with the region settlement you can actually wipe them out.

The only change I would like to see to the Nomadic factions is that all horse archers take less missile damage than infantry that are equipped with shields and have better armor. This with all due respect does not make sense at all. Horse archers should be more susceptible to missile damage because they have no shield to protect them. Regardless of what armor they are wearing this is a major drawback. In game, I have tested several army compositions against horse archers. Despite outnumbering them with foot archers, they seem to be quicker at killing off my melee super heavy spearmen than my foot archers can take them out, which is (again with all due respect) bizarre.

I even tried the tactics with Alexander the Great used in the Battle of Jaxartes, with some good levels of success of pinning down the horse archers in place, only to realize that cataphract horse archers can fight toe-to-toe with any heavy melee cavalry in game. So basically it is the cataphract horse archers that need a little contact with the nerf bat, because they can perform all roles better:

1. They can out damage foot archers, killing of a stack of well armor super heavy spearmen, losing only a minority of their forces to missile damage in the skirmish.
2. They can out damage heavy melee cavalry intended for melee fighting. Meaning their plan B is stronger than other units plan A.

I hope to see these changes made to horse archers because 10 x 130 (men) horse archer units totaling 1,300 horse archers, should not defeat 4 x 240 (men) super heavy spearmen units (about 960 spear men), 8 x 160 (men) foot archers units (totaling 1,280 foot archers). What happens is that each horse archer unit kills about 96 spearmen who are well armored, before even the each foot archer unit kills about 10 horse archers. Yep, this is on normal difficulty too! Would like to see this change more than change the AI recruiting hordes of horse archers, which btw is historically accurate.