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    Default Israeli military officer claims Hezbollah is stronger than any Arab military!!

    It means Persian military is stronger than any Arab military + most European military??

    Israel’s top military officer warned today that Hezbollah is more powerful than most of the world’s armies and that a confrontation between Israel and the Lebanese Shiite militant organization was a near certainty.

    While the threat posed by conventional Arab armies has diminished in recent years, Israel now faces highly mobile enemies like Hezbollah, skilled in asymmetric warfare and equipped with advanced weapons systems, Gen. Benny Gantz said. However, the massive destruction Israel can inflict on Hezbollah’s assets and Lebanon’s infrastructure continues to deter Hezbollah from overt aggression against Israel.

    “Bring me four or five states that have more firepower than Hezbollah: Russia, China, Israel, France, and England,” he told Israel’s annual security-oriented Herzliya Conference. “What is this enormous power that they [Hezbollah] have that can cover every area of the state of Israel?”

    Gantz’s comments reflect Israel's longstanding concern about Hezbollah’s growing might, which has soared in terms of weaponry, technology, and personnel since the two enemies last fought each other in open war in 2006.

    Last week, an anonymous Israeli intelligence officer wrote in Israel’s Maarachot military magazine that in the next war, Hezbollah would not merely defend against an Israeli invasion but could make a “ground offensive and multi-pronged attack on Israeli territory."

    In the past eight years, the Iran-backed group is believed to have acquired GPS-guided Syrian-manufactured missiles fitted with 1,100-pound warheads with ranges of at least 150 miles. That puts Tel Aviv within range of the Lebanese border. It also has drones that can carry dozens of pounds of explosive. In October 2012, a drone operated by Hezbollah penetrated Israeli airspace in the south before being detected and shot down by Israeli jets.

    Hezbollah’s reconnaissance and communications capabilities have also improved. Fighters serving in Syria use thermal imaging cameras to monitor rebel movements and prepare ambushes, including one in February that killed 175 rebel fighters near Otaiba, east of Damascus. It has built a few dozen training camps across the Bekaa Valley in recent years to process the steady influx of new recruits.

    But the most significant change may be the crucial combat experience Hezbollah's cadres have gained from fighting in Syria's war on behalf of the regime of President Bashar al-Assad. Hezbollah is credited with helping turn the tide against the rebel forces in the past year, granting Mr. Assad the confidence to hold a presidential election last week that saw him earn his third seven-year term in office in a poll widely derided by the Syrian opposition and the West.

    “Iran is investing a lot in Hezbollah in Syria.... Hezbollah is involved up to their necks in it,” Gantz said.

    It is fortunate for Israel that Hezbollah's attention is divided between domestic politics, military preparations against Israel, and its intervention in Syria, Gantz said. Fear of a damaging war has served as a mutual deterrence.

    “Hezbollah is like a state and they know exactly what is going to happen in Lebanon if they start a war with us, and that this would set Lebanon back decades,” he said.

    Despite that, tensions rose in February and March after an Israeli airstrike on a Hezbollah facility in the Bekaa Valley. The target was a 2,450-sq.-ft. utility building, possibly a temporary arms storage facility, beside a track used by Hezbollah to smuggle weapons into Lebanon from neighboring Syria, according to comparisons of satellite imagery on Google Earth.

    It was the first Israeli air attack against Hezbollah in Lebanon since 2006. In response, Hezbollah detonated a roadside bomb against Israeli troops on Lebanon’s southern border. It is also thought responsible for staging three other attacks against soldiers in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, wounding four.
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    Well, Christian Science Monitor... I thought Christians are quite happy to see Jewish heathens and Islamic heretics killing eachothers... Anyway, joking aside, I cannot believe Israeli military rate Hezbollah higher than Italian and German military... Those dudes must be joking...
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    No lie, huge Hezbollah fanboy here, but remember we are dealing with the merchant race here. They could be blowing the threat out of proportion in order to squeeze more sympathy shekels out of the goyim. While I'm sure based Hezbollah is getting tons of XP from Syria, its against stupid durka durkas, not the IDF with its super tech. Intel processors yo.

    IDF probs can't beat them on Lebanese turf (if they couldn't do it in '06 it sure as hell isn't happening now) but the idea that Hezbollah could "mount a ground offensive and multi-pronged attack on Israeli territory" is defs alarmist disinfo. I could see some badass commando raid type things happening, but a literal invasion? With what? Its not like they've got armor or an air force.

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    Looks like fragments taken out of context, not a serious claim. Maybe I missed it, but I don't even see Gantz on the program: http://www.herzliyaconference.org/en...rogram(12).pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by sumskilz View Post
    Looks like fragments taken out of context, not a serious claim. Maybe I missed it, but I don't even see Gantz on the program: http://www.herzliyaconference.org/en...rogram(12).pdf
    He's on pg 8, m8.

    Looks like Benny got to start the Monday proceedings. Haven't seen a transcript so idk about the context. Its probs in Jewbberish anyway.

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    Default Re: Israeli military officer claims Hezbollah is stronger than any Arab military!!

    Maybe he is a bit exaggurating, but he's just trying to prove a point. I do think he just gave examples of five armies, since he obviouslly left the US out of there

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    Yeah, I think it's safe to say this Israeli officer is over exaggerating or he's absolutely clueless regarding the military capacity of foreign countries. Hezbollah is nothing more than a small militia group and their ability or project a massive force, let alone a military campaign lasting more than a few days is laughable. Hezbollah is far from being a threat to the Middle Eastern powers(Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Syria) and they would get crushed if they were to fight against Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Syria and etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Nihilism View Post
    Yeah, I think it's safe to say this Israeli officer is over exaggerating or he's absolutely clueless regarding the military capacity of foreign countries. Hezbollah is nothing more than a small militia group and their ability or project a massive force, let alone a military campaign lasting more than a few days is laughable. Hezbollah is far from being a threat to the Middle Eastern powers(Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Syria) and they would get crushed if they were to fight against Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Syria and etc.
    Didn't Hezbollah give Israel a beating in the last Lebanon excursion? Mind you I would put that down to IDF ineptitude more than anything else.
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    Default Re: Israeli military officer claims Hezbollah is stronger than any Arab military!!

    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Didn't Hezbollah give Israel a beating in the last Lebanon excursion? Mind you I would put that down to IDF ineptitude more than anything else.
    Hezbollah gave Israel a beating using traditional guerilla tactics. They are extremely skilled a guerilla tactics and probably the best in the world when it comes fighting a defensive war in depth where they can rely on moving around freely with the support from local civilians. The Israeli general is however stating that they could conduct “ground offensive and multi-pronged attack on Israeli territory." which is something completely different.

    In the Syrian civil war
    they have also proven themselves to be extremely capable at providing infantry support to Assads armoured battalions who before that were suffering heavily as their infantry wasn't able to provide reliable protection against rebel anti tank teams.

    But at the moment I would say that it is close to impossible to tell how advanced their logistics, anti air and armoured attack capabilities has become. If Syria is willing to train and equip them in these sector then they would definitely be a force to be reckoned with but I am skeptic regarding if Assas is willing to expend such resources on them.

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    The main strengths of Hezbollah would be cohesion, a safe harbour, combat experience, and presumably a generous patron, because I don't see the capability to generate substantial local funding, unless they turn Lebanon into a drug factory.
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    Default Re: Israeli military officer claims Hezbollah is stronger than any Arab military!!

    Hezballa is not a small militia group. It is a powerful army, which is probably 5 times as good as the Lebanese army for example. You are now underexaggurating. The second Lebanese war was not an easy fight

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    I think he was speaking in terms of being able to inflict damage to Israel, not in absolute military terms.

    The good and bad thing about Hezbollah seems to be that they act smarter than your average Islamist paramilitary group. That's imo the one hope that they also prefer a political solution than a total war.

    The 2006 Lebanese war was a camality for Israel's politics because they wanted a quick punitive operation and ended in a quagmire, it's not like Israel actually went all out, but trickled into the conflict underestimating their opposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uriyaca View Post
    Hezballa is not a small militia group. It is a powerful army, which is probably 5 times as good as the Lebanese army for example. You are now underexaggurating. The second Lebanese war was not an easy fight

    No, Hezbollah is naught but an insignificant force in the Middle East. Like I said, they don't have an air force or a navy and their ground troops lack any sophisticated weapons to actually wage war against a competent nation such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Syria and etc. Most people laugh(Including myself) at Hezbollah and their military capabilities and rightly so since they would get smashed if they were to invade Iran, Syria, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Qatar or pretty much any country in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Nihilism View Post
    No, Hezbollah is naught but an insignificant force in the Middle East. Like I said, they don't have an air force or a navy and their ground troops lack any sophisticated weapons to actually wage war against a competent nation such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Syria and etc. Most people laugh(Including myself) at Hezbollah and their military capabilities and rightly so since they would get smashed if they were to invade Iran, Syria, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Qatar or pretty much any country in the world.
    You prove yourself wrong. In fact Hezballa is invading Syria and has turned the tide in Assad's favor. Hezballa is founded by Iran and could be reffered to as a terrorist infantry squad of Iran, only with some level of autonomy. Hezballah is the real power holder in Lebanon, being supported by more then half the population. It also posseses some very advanced weaponry thanks to the generousity of the Aitolla rejime in Iran. (If any of you read the ASOIAF book series, I can see great similarities between them and the Golden Company, in the one difference that Hezballah fights for Allah and the GC fights for gold )

    While obviouslly they don't resemble the power of the IDF, I would say that they are equal if not better in strength then Lebanese, Jordanese and Syrian armies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uriyaca View Post
    You prove yourself wrong. In fact Hezballa is invading Syria and has turned the tide in Assad's favor. Hezballa is founded by Iran and could be reffered to as a terrorist infantry squad of Iran, only with some level of autonomy. Hezballah is the real power holder in Lebanon, being supported by more then half the population. It also posseses some very advanced weaponry thanks to the generousity of the Aitolla rejime in Iran. (If any of you read the ASOIAF book series, I can see great similarities between them and the Golden Company, in the one difference that Hezballah fights for Allah and the GC fights for gold )

    While obviouslly they don't resemble the power of the IDF, I would say that they are equal if not better in strength then Lebanese, Jordanese and Syrian armies.
    I think you're giving Hezbollah a little too much credit in Syria. Ordinary Syrians are by far doing the most dying and fighting since the whole conflict started. Hezbollah has been important in a number of key strategic battles, their force projection pales in comparison to Iran(Who has special forces operatives in Syria as well as officers from the Iranian Army), the Syrian military and Russia. As for who's the strongest between the Lebanese military and Hezbollah, from what i'v researched Hezbollah doesn't actually disclose the precise number of troops it has but estimates range up to 65,000 compared to the Lebanese military who have around 200,000 active service personnel; so you're telling me that a group of 60K men(At maximum) is better than the 200,000 strong Lebanese military? Here in reality, the Lebanese military is considered stronger. They do have SOME sophisticated equipment but not enough to wage a war/become a threat.

    Their power is laughable to say the least, and anyone who actually feels threatened by Hezbollah needs to realise that they're nothing but a small militia group, with a few high tech weapons; they're insignificant in the grand scheme of things and the threat they pose to Governments is minuscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Nihilism View Post
    I think you're giving Hezbollah a little too much credit in Syria. Ordinary Syrians are by far doing the most dying and fighting since the whole conflict started. Hezbollah has been important in a number of key strategic battles, their force projection pales in comparison to Iran(Who has special forces operatives in Syria as well as officers from the Iranian Army), the Syrian military and Russia. As for who's the strongest between the Lebanese military and Hezbollah, from what i'v researched Hezbollah doesn't actually disclose the precise number of troops it has but estimates range up to 65,000 compared to the Lebanese military who have around 200,000 active service personnel; so you're telling me that a group of 60K men(At maximum) is better than the 200,000 strong Lebanese military? Here in reality, the Lebanese military is considered stronger. They do have SOME sophisticated equipment but not enough to wage a war/become a threat.

    Their power is laughable to say the least, and anyone who actually feels threatened by Hezbollah needs to realise that they're nothing but a small militia group, with a few high tech weapons; they're insignificant in the grand scheme of things and the threat they pose to Governments is minuscule.
    Please check your facts. 75,000 men serve in the Lebanese army which is also considered an outdated army in terms of military equipment as well as military training and overall power. Up until 2006 (the second Lebanese war) the Lebanese army wasn't even allowed to enter and establish strongholds in Shii districts which were considered Hezballah territory, such as southern Lebanon and even the shii quarter of Beiroot itself!

    Hezballah is much better equipped and trained then the Lebanese armed forces and has greater efficiency then most regular armies being a terrorist organization and because of the fact they often operate using gurilla tactics

    Vowed to destroy Israel, and as they have already been in open war and several minor skirmishes in the past, and since Israel kills their generals every second Hezballah is a much larger threat then most ordinary armies. It has an 800 milion $ budget per year and is a very capable army.

    Btw, saying that the threat they pose to their goverments is miniscule is rediculous since Hezballah is taking control over most Lebanese goverment facilities, and they are of the most major political powers in Lebanon.

    A research done in the US in 2008 shows that in the war at 2006 Hezballah was a tougher enemy than any Arab army fought since, which is worrysome news considering that Hezballah has only gotten stronger since.

    Source: http://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/1.1368334

    I found about this research in wikipedia which led me to this article in hebrew in a main news site in Israel. If you would like to read it you can either use google translate or look for the english version of the research yourself, which you will probabky find in the Hezballah english wikipedia page
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    Lebanon is a political minefield for Israel, as they can't permanently occupy it; leaving it politically fractured seems the best solution for them, though it leaves space for such Islamist groups like Hezbollah to emerge.
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    Well Iraqi army currently is displaying that giving nice toys to incompetent people won't make them a competent army and generally speaking the Middle Eastern armed forces aren't known for their competence.

    For sure in future I envision a final battle in the Middle East between Hezbollah and ISIS.

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    Hezbollah depends mainly on the goodwill of the Iranian and Syrian governments. The Iranians are funding it and the Syrians are the "shopping center" where the Iranian funds are spent.

    If the Iranians normalize their relations with the West (as it seems to be the trend now) a large part of the funding and arming might vanish. Or Hezbollah might be "persuaded" to integrate into the Lebanese military.

    Syria alone cannot effectively support Hezbollah even if Assad comes on top in the current civil war. That is because his first priority would be to rebuild the Syrian economy, and he doesn't have too many friends who would be willing to do that and be associated with Hezbollah in the same time.

    However none of that would happen overnight, so the Israelis are right to be concerned with the growing capabilities of Hezbollah.

    What should however be avoided would be to support the wrong Syrian opposition groups, only because they are the most effective at grinding down Hezbollah. Several previous stories speak against that:

    1) The fact the communist resistance groups were the most effective against the Germans in Yugoslavia caused the US and Britain to arm Tito to the point he eliminated the non-communist resistance. Worse, it also forced the non-communist groups to sometimes coordinate their operations against the communists with the Germans and the Italians instead of fighting them;

    2) A similar choice was made in Greece during WW2 and only the presence of the British troops prevented the communists from taking the country over at the end of the war;

    3) The fact the most radical elements among the Afghan mujaheddin were the best at killing Soviets resulted in the US, Saudis and Pakistani pouring most of the resources into those groups. A decision at least the Americans came to regret;

    4) The Israelis themselves turned a blind eye to the initial growth of Hamas, mainly because it was dividing the Palestinians while killing Fatah leaders in the same time. The outcome of that policy turned out rather ugly once Hamas grew too strong.

    So yeah, the Israelis better take Hezbollah seriously, but they also need to be extra careful who they back against Hezbollah.
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    Israel still smarting from their humiliation at Hezbollah's hands in 2006.
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    It must be remembered that there was no Hezbollah until Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982.
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