Protector Domesticus
Iraqi civil war(Updated)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/wo...raqi-city.html
So it seems that the inusrgency continues to spread. The Iraqi government has failed for six months now to recapture Fallujah and now the militants stormed Samarra which is a city north of Bahgdad. The government has sent forces in the area but they are still unable to control the area
Last edited by Papay; June 19, 2014 at 09:09 AM.
Comes Domesticorum
Re: Iraqi militants capture Samarra
MISSION ACCOMPLISH!!!
Originally Posted by Markas
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What else do you think their mission was? Their policy there has always been consistent since post-WW2.
Domesticus
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the iraqi government should cooperate with Syria, it is only logical because they have a common enemy but then again there is big brother USA..
HATE SPEECH ISN'T REAL
hoi polloi
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Would that be the same US that was indifferent to Russia and China winning oil development bids? Given the shape of Syria I not Assad is the best to trust about how to handle militants.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Patricius
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Enemy of my enemy is a friend. Not to mention that there are a lot of militants from same organization in both countries, so getting their intelligence services to cooperate would help nail them down.
Protector Domesticus
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Someone seeing Putin hands on it?I'm happy because US have shale gas to face any contingence,and billions dollars to spent.
Tiro
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Sarcasm ?
Vicarius
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i think the militants are ISIS (Islamic state in Iraq and Syria), an extremist group fighting in Syria.
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Last edited by Cyrene; June 07, 2014 at 08:46 AM.
Protector Domesticus
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That's funny how the US spreads conflicts around the world and leave it. What they will do now if the war in middle east spreads?Retreat the new contingents from Poland?Bush started a most idiotic war I ever see,Sadam was a crap but Iraq was a stable country,now after thousands of deaths Iraq remains a country in a constant civil war.Obama take the bush legacy and improve it,he spreads wars and civil discontentment in the middle east,Asia and Europe,he truly deserved the Nobel.
All the world conflicts have a common denominator,the united states of America.
Last edited by pajomife; June 07, 2014 at 09:43 AM.
Patricius
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Lets not forget, that America supported Saddam as well, in the 1980s.
hoi polloi
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Yes the US supports what intrests any particualr admistration and congress think are in the US intrest and that does in fact very. Just like well Turkey and Saudis find it in their interest to pump money into Syrian rebels or China who like to own all of the Ocean and nay oil it might have or Putin... Find me a saint in this picture. Iraq was stable unless you where a Kurd, or lived in Iran or Kuwait...
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Campidoctor
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I don't understand your argument. So because Saddam killed lots of people that makes it okay for the US to kill lots of people aswell? And then to destabilize the country to such an extent that even more are killed? I would understand your position if you suggested that the US intervened to prevent more killing. But the US explicitly did not do that. She brought even more death and destruction.
Furthermore you justify US expediency by highlighting the expediency of other countries. Yet you fail to take into account that the US is not some other country. The US is a hyperpower (an Empire, come on admit it to yourself!) that has instigated several illegal invasions and interventions since the turn of the century. So to justify US actions because weaker countries do the same thing seems very weak; derisory even when it is demonstrable that it is the US that is destroying countries, orchestrating coups and invading others.
Regarding the current situation in Iraq. I always thought the US plan was to partition Iraq, hence the deliberate steps of destabilization taken right at the beginning of the occupation (For example didn't they immediately disband the Iraqi police and army?). "Stuff happens" was Rumsfeld explanation. Yeh, stuff happens when you plan it that way. What a horrible euphemism for chaos - Rumsfeld sure knew how to stick the knife in.
Anyway, if you believe the US goal is destabilization then it sounds like everything is going to plan. Job well done the neocons will be saying to themselves.
Protector Domesticus
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Saddam was a dictator but he was Iraqi and he knew why he should be brutal some times. Iraq in 2002 was a paradise compared to the Iraq today. As far as i understand the Sunni militants not only defeated Iraqi forces when they tried to capture Fallujah and part of Ramadi but they have expanded the rebellion in new areas. Currently the situation reminds the worst period of the US occupation. Only in Mosul yesterday the rebels killed more than 40 soldiers.
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This position makes the (erroneous) assumption that no more deaths would have occurred if Hussein had been left in power. Given his history, do you feel like that's a reasonable assumption?
Ok, admitted; the United States is an empire in denial. Your point is?
I'll go one step further; the failure on the part of the United States here is, having decided to invade, they weren't imperial enough; the occupation, had it lasted longer, would have lent more stability than leaving so early to avoid the perception of imperial ambitions.
What, in your opinion, constitutes a LEGAL invasion?
Last edited by Symphony; June 08, 2014 at 10:19 PM.
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Could Turkey join in?Erdogan seems to have internal issues, perhaps an external distraction is what he needs.
Well considering post 2004 deaths are probably already higher than pre 2004...
Ordinarius
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templat...r_detailed_map
Constantly updated, but again with all things, its constantly changing as new information comes in.
So it looks like the Kurds cleared ISIS from its rear, which is good or it was a raid.
Tikrit is being contested again and it looks like ISF is trying to retake the Jordanian Border Crossing.
Again in case you haven't been paying attention all information here is tentative and subject to change because the fighting is so fluid and both sides are mixing truth and propaganda.
Welcome to the Great Race 2015. Either IS wins or Iran bails out Assad in the nick of time. Whoever wins Iraq and Syria and everybody else loses.
Ordinarius
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http://www.vocativ.com/world/iraq-wo...isis-conquest/
Hmm interesting. I don't personally think Baghdadi will make a play for Saudi Arabia right now, unless he has cells in the Saudi Airforce that would cause it to defect or be grounded, nothing like hundreds of Aircraft would wreck his day worse.
But if Baghdadi can neutralize the Saudi Airforce by some means, then good bye to the House of Saud and good riddance. Hopefully when the aftermath is over a better government comes along for that place.
Welcome to the Great Race 2015. Either IS wins or Iran bails out Assad in the nick of time. Whoever wins Iraq and Syria and everybody else loses.
hoi polloi
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Although you are still tending to make all Sunni action = ISIS. ISIS has played its hand well bit its objectives are not necessarily those of many of the Sunni fighters in Iraq or the local leaders tacitly supporting it right now.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Praepositus
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And that's ok for you?
You do realize that people lives were and are at stakes?
What if your country was treated the same?
Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
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