Bugs Reports & Technical Help

**Jurand of Cracow** · December 20, 2020, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by Gigantus

faction_counter - well, if you are fine with creating an additional 62 monitors instead of using existing ones that's fine with me
priest limit - it's a cap, not cumuilative
settlement - it will work as intended, the 'current_name' counter should prevent the historic_event firing on consecutive settlement occupations under the same conditions

Thanks, Gig.

counters - I'd like to avoid additional counters, but they already exist. For the moment I don't create any monitors, as a matter of fact I remove some monitors thanks to a re-use of existing ones. Even more could be done but it's melody of the future.

priest limit - thanks, I've reviewed situation in this light.

settlements - good to know. There'll be one monitor for capture of any city and I'll include more conditions down the road, also by including an already existing mechanism.

Originally Posted by Sarkiss

just my two cents on Georgia gameplay - one of the 'issues' is that every settlements in Transcaucasia has a mine and those are rebel settlements, iirc, hence no major problem annexing them. so once those mines are up and running you barely have to think of finance any more. maybe nerfing the amount of income those mines provide could be part of a solution to increase difficulty a notch.

The Georgian units belong to the most expensive and Georgia doesn't have much own provinces so I'd hesitate from limiting the access to the mines.

**Nemesis2345** · December 20, 2020, 08:02 AM

So, i reinstalled m2tw and i used JoC's mod file he shared here a while back ( the one from megaupload that had SSHIP + KCC+ patch F all in one) but it seems i have no ambient sounds now (ambient sounds for cities , for troops marching etc.)

Edit: turns out it was just an installation gone wrong , reinstalled the game and it works fine now. So for people who had/has this problem , remember to first verify game files with steam or reinstall if u have the disk version.

**Giorgios** · December 20, 2020, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow

Up load a save, please!

Attached save and log for Mongol CTD.

**valerius karamanus** · December 21, 2020, 07:48 AM

Persistent CTD as Sicily during slave turn, the year is 1190ish. Tried going back to saves from previous decade but it always catches up.
I've been enjoying this campaign but now I have to abandon it I suppose.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Berk** · December 21, 2020, 09:28 AM

Few issues and game crashes:

1) Stairs problem in the siege of Sivas city: https://hizliresim.com/X66BXm

2) Recruiting troops with 0 fee. (Fari Archers): https://hizliresim.com/wjvMi3

3) Recruiting troops with 0 fee. (Fari Cavalry):

https://hizliresim.com/xNpNCJ

4) Game crash with the Rum Seljuk. (including system log and saves): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wqr...ew?usp=sharing

**Belovèse** · December 21, 2020, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Berk

Few issues and game crashes:

1) Stairs problem in the siege of Sivas city: https://hizliresim.com/X66BXm

2) Recruiting troops with 0 fee. (Fari Archers): https://hizliresim.com/wjvMi3

3) Recruiting troops with 0 fee. (Fari Cavalry):

https://hizliresim.com/xNpNCJ

4) Game crash with the Rum Seljuk. (including system log and saves): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wqr...ew?usp=sharing

Thanks a lot for the report! So:
1) the ladder and tower bug is known, I thought it was solved though.
2) and 3): it is intended. fari archer and cavalry are feudal units and as such have no recruitment cost but high upkeep, to reflet the feudal system. More info on unit catergory in SSHIP here, you could also try my minimod (see signature below) to have the most recent info on unit cards

4) I'll try to run the savegame this evening and keep you posted. Do you have the latest patch (F)?

**Berk** · December 21, 2020, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Belovèse

Thanks a lot for the report! So:
1) the ladder and tower bug is known, I thought it was solved though.
2) and 3): it is intended. fari archer and cavalry are feudal units and as such have no recruitment cost but high upkeep, to reflet the feudal system. More info on unit catergory in SSHIP here, you could also try my minimod (see signature below) to have the most recent info on unit cards

4) I'll try to run the savegame this evening and keep you posted. Do you have the latest patch (F)?

Yes. I did a clean install yesterday. (097 + patch F)
The recruitment fee for "Fari Archers and Fari Cavalry" is reasonable. (0 cost) Thanks

**Jurand of Cracow** · December 21, 2020, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Berk

4) Game crash with the Rum Seljuk. (including system log and saves): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wqr...ew?usp=sharing

I haven't had problems - here is turn17. That's perhaps the German civil war script has stochastic events coded.

The problems you campaign shows relate to one-player-stack-of-doom. You've taken 3 settlements in 16 turns, and yet you can have peace (and actually alliances, iirc) with the factions around. Such fast expansion should make your neighbours very angry. I think it's for Belovese to code punishment for quick expansion in the diplomatic relations triggers. Perhaps with cool-down period (normalization is the tool I think). Or maybe it's already coded with the spheres of influnces? I don't know, this was coded by VineFynn in the past (and perhaps by MWY earlier).

Originally Posted by valerius karamanus

Persistent CTD as Sicily during slave turn, the year is 1190ish. Tried going back to saves from previous decade but it always catches up.
15:52:33.804 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 30885 in mods/ss6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
15:52:33.805 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <faction_emerge> at line 30885 in mods/ss6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
15:52:33.823 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Conqueror_London> fired
15:52:33.864 [bink] [debug] [data/fmv/faction/minor_win.bik]Pause on
15:52:33.864 [bink] [debug] [data/fmv/faction/minor_win.bik]Pause on
15:52:34.518 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.
[/SPOILER]

The re-emergence script again. I'm thinking about disabling it, it's always source of problems (along the Mongol scirpt that I'm fixing, and the Civil war script that I've provided with some stochastic solutions).

Originally Posted by Giorgios

Attached save and log for Mongol CTD.

Yeah, I've found nothing, this is a Mongol crash. I'll try to fix it / ease the burden.
The benefit of your save file is, I'v introduced a code for Baris and Ragusion.

{Bari}Bari
{BariGreek}Baris

Code:

    declare_counter current_name_Bari		; 0 - BariGreek, 1 - Bari    set_counter current_name_Bari 0


    monitor_event GeneralCaptureSettlement SettlementName Bari


		if I_EventCounter faction_turn_orthodox = 1


			change_settlement_name Bari BariGreek
			
			if I_EventCounter is_the_player = 1 
			and I_CompareCounter current_name_Bari < 1
				historic_event SETTLEMENT_NAME_CHANGE
			end_if
		
			set_counter current_name_Bari 1		
		end_if


		if I_EventCounter faction_turn_catholic = 0


			change_settlement_name Bari Bari
			
			if I_EventCounter is_the_player = 1 
			and I_CompareCounter current_name_Bari > 0
				historic_event SETTLEMENT_NAME_CHANGE
			end_if
		
			set_counter current_name_Bari 0		
		end_if
		
    end_monitor

**Macaras** · December 21, 2020, 05:10 PM

I think It would be very helpful to know some details about the diplomacy, for example these 3 settlements in 16 turns that makes your neighbours angry its something I have never heard about before.. I thought you just loose reputation. In addition in the descr_campaign_ai_db I saw something like trusted ally, that prevents AI from attacking you and some other conditions depending on your global reputation. If you could add one message window explaining some of these details that would be very helpful (like those about generals, agents etc..) I think many players get discouraged about the diplomacy because it seems sometimes that the AI is unreasonable, while in reality it is logical, but considers factors in its decisions that are not obvious for the player..What do you think about this idea?

**Gigantus** · December 21, 2020, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow

The re-emergence script again. I'm thinking about disabling it, it's always source of problems (along the Mongol scirpt that I'm fixing, and the Civil war script that I've provided with some stochastic solutions).

That or a possible 'BecomesFactionLeader' crash (Conquerer_London). The latter can be overcome by temporarily removing the trigger section from the EDCT file.

Maybe provide such a file for easy use by users, eg a simple rename will do the job instead of doing a possibly faulty edit?

**Jurand of Cracow** · December 22, 2020, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by Gigantus

That or a possible 'BecomesFactionLeader' crash (Conquerer_London). The latter can be overcome by temporarily removing the trigger section from the EDCT file.

Why should it be? I thought these are not related. Or everything is happening simultaneously during faction emergence (faction creation, thus BecomesFactionLeader, and also conquering a settlement with EDCT triggers)?

Code:

Trigger Conqueror_London WhenToTest GeneralCaptureSettlement


 Condition SettlementName London
       
 Affects VictorVirtue 1 Chance 100
 Affects Vanquisher 1 Chance 100

Besides,
will such a code work ok (I think it's pretty neutral) or should it be recoded to avoid BecomesFactionLeader condition?

Code:

     ;========== KIEVAN_RUS LEADER BATTLE MODELS ==============
    monitor_event BecomesFactionLeader FactionType kievan_rus
        change_battle_model kievan_rus leader nov_duke
    end_monitor


    monitor_event BecomesFactionHeir FactionType kievan_rus
        change_battle_model kievan_rus heir kiev_duke
    end_monitor

**selo7602** · December 22, 2020, 02:42 AM

Hey guys

,

I am new here so dont be so harsh !
I have installed the clean ss6.4 installerer.exe and copied and replaced the data folder of sship0.97 played with Rum-Seljuqs, the mod is very great and im so thankful there are more guys like me who love mtw2(the best TW by far). Sadly i got some experience with CTDs mostly at battels (for exampel : Ive quit campaign mode and clicked on custom battel -> CTD) .

My Last CTD is the reason why i write in this forum because i want to improve this beautiful mod:

The Case:
Playing with Rum-Seljuqs 15 Turns with out CTD
on Win 10 (with compatibility XP service 39
SteamVersion of the Game

-Last turn fought 2 battels against Romans in a row.
After the second Battel at the winning screen i experienced a CTD.

My systemlog:

09:05:16.844 [system.io] [trace] file open,,25E11578,6584
09:05:16.844 [system.io] [info] open: found mods/ss6.3/data/descr_transition_screen.txt (from: F:\Steam\steamapps\common\Medieval II Total War)
09:05:16.844 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/ss6.3/data/loading_screen/loading_logo.tga (from: F:\Steam\steamapps\common\Medieval II Total War)
09:05:16.844 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/ss6.3/data/loading_screen/loading_logo.tga.dds
09:05:16.844 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/ss6.3/data/loading_screen/loading_logo.tga (from: F:\Steam\steamapps\common\Medieval II Total War)
09:05:16.845 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/ss6.3/mods/ss6.3/data/loading_screen/loading_logo.tga
09:05:16.845 [system.io] [trace] file open,,mods/ss6.3/data/loading_screen/loading_logo.tga.dds,,not found
09:05:16.845 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/ss6.3/data/loading_screen/loading_logo.tga.dds is missing
09:05:16.845 [system.io] [trace] file open,,mods/ss6.3/data/loading_screen/loading_logo.tga,262188
09:05:16.845 [system.io] [info] open: found mods/ss6.3/data/loading_screen/loading_logo.tga (from: F:\Steam\steamapps\common\Medieval II Total War)
09:05:17.153 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

**Gigantus** · December 22, 2020, 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow

Why should it be?

The BecomesFactionLeader event in triggers leads to a crash when the last two named characters of a faction die together, usually in a siege. The Conqueror_London trigger fires when a settlement is taken, and it's also the very last entry in the log. If that settlement was the last of a faction then the probability is high that this is the crash reason.

On the other hand that trigger will fire on any ownership change that involves a named character, eg a simply conquest, maybe even a revolt or the emergence.

Ruling the BFL event out is about the simplest thing when hunting bugs in M2TW by simply removing the trigger section in EDCT and playing that turn again.

**Belovèse** · December 22, 2020, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by Macaras

I think It would be very helpful to know some details about the diplomacy, for example these 3 settlements in 16 turns that makes your neighbours angry its something I have never heard about before.. I thought you just loose reputation. In addition in the descr_campaign_ai_db I saw something like trusted ally, that prevents AI from attacking you and some other conditions depending on your global reputation. If you could add one message window explaining some of these details that would be very helpful (like those about generals, agents etc..) I think many players get discouraged about the diplomacy because it seems sometimes that the AI is unreasonable, while in reality it is logical, but considers factors in its decisions that are not obvious for the player..What do you think about this idea?

Actually the "3 settlements in 16 turns" thingyt is a suggestion that Jurand just made for my current modding of diplomacy and relations. For the rest, well I agree with you, that's why I'm working on this with my mini-mod!

Originally Posted by Berk

4) Game crash with the Rum Seljuk. (including system log and saves): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wqr...ew?usp=sharing

I could also move a turn forward with your save, sorry I don't see why you had a CTD except bad luck with some random event in the script maybe, as Jurand suggested?

Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow

The problems you campaign shows relate to one-player-stack-of-doom. You've taken 3 settlements in 16 turns, and yet you can have peace (and actually alliances, iirc) with the factions around. Such fast expansion should make your neighbours very angry. I think it's for Belovese to code punishment for quick expansion in the diplomatic relations triggers. Perhaps with cool-down period (normalization is the tool I think). Or maybe it's already coded with the spheres of influnces? I don't know, this was coded by VineFynn in the past (and perhaps by MWY earlier).

I cannot keep track of that in descr_faction_standing, so I'll have to create and event_counter in campaign_script. Here's my idea:
Having a event_counter in campaign.script to keep a memory of player conquest, and another to gradually forget those conquests:

Code:

declare_counter memoryOfCapturedSettlements                    ; do I need to set the counter value before using inc_event_counter?

event_monitor GeneralCaptureSettlement TrueCondition        ; is TrueCondition needed? 
    if I_EventCounter is_the_ai < 1
        inc_event_counter memoryOfCapturedSettlements 10     ; number of turn needed to forget about the capture, to be adjusted
    end_if
end_monitor

event_monitor FactionTurnStart TrueCondition
    if I_EventCounter is_the_ai < 1
        inc_event_counter memoryOfCapturedSettlements -1    ; ai gradualy forgets about conquered settlements
    end_if
end_monitor

and a triggers in descr_faction_standing to apply the effects:

Code:

Trigger TurnStart_malusForConqueringSettlements
    WhenToTest FactionTurnStart
    Condition I_EventCounter memoryOfCapturedSettlements > 15    ; random value, to be adjusted!

    FactionStanding global normalise -1.0 50                    ; random values, to be adjusted!
    FactionStanding exclude_factions { } normalise -1.0 100        ; random values, to be adjusted!

what do you think?

EDIT - Sphere of influence just makes the reputation and relation impact smaller when your take back one of your "core settlements". Witch are very few, by the way, so I feel it has limited impact. I was thinking the core settlement could be modified to be the same as the settlements required to acquire the crown?

EDIT 2 - just thought that it make possible to have a second trigger that reward players expanding slowly with a bonus in relation and reputation:

Code:

Trigger TurnStart_malusForConqueringSettlements
    WhenToTest FactionTurnStart
    Condition I_EventCounter memoryOfCapturedSettlements < 5    ; random value, to be adjusted!

    FactionStanding global normalise 1.0 50                    ; random values, to be adjusted!
    FactionStanding exclude_factions { } normalise 1.0 100        ; random values, to be adjusted!

**kostic** · December 22, 2020, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow

Besides,
will such a code work ok (I think it's pretty neutral) or should it be recoded to avoid BecomesFactionLeader condition?

Code:

     ;========== KIEVAN_RUS LEADER BATTLE MODELS ==============
    monitor_event BecomesFactionLeader FactionType kievan_rus
        change_battle_model kievan_rus leader nov_duke
    end_monitor


    monitor_event BecomesFactionHeir FactionType kievan_rus
        change_battle_model kievan_rus heir kiev_duke
    end_monitor

I added this code and it is the same that I used for most factions to make the model look different in battle than a classic general.
It works great without causing CTD ... except, of course, if the designated model is not present !

KCC 0.9.5 adds these models.

**Gigantus** · December 22, 2020, 06:19 AM

@Belovese:

Code:

declare_counter memoryOfCapturedSettlements          ; do I need to set the counter value before using inc_event_counter?

The declare_counter line is ineffective as your commands use event counter commands and conditions.It may however cause issue somewhere down the line as now you have a regular counter and a event counter with the same name.

And the answer is 'NO' in both cases, provided you want 'zero': both counters are initially zero: the regular counter once he is declared and the event counter before you even think of it

As to factionstanding and conquered settlements - there is a bug in the vanilla file where even occupying worsens faction standing, have a look if that has been fixed. It's the section underneath, by not commenting out the factionstanding lines they become applicable to the trigger above which is the occupy one. Easily fixed by commenting them out as well unless you prefer to activate the whole 102 trigger.

Code:

;------------------------------------------
Trigger 0103_occupy_settlement_increase_global
    WhenToTest OccupySettlement

    FactionStanding global 0.05
    FactionStanding target_faction normalise 1.0 20
    FactionStanding target_allies normalise 1.0 40
;    FactionStanding target_enemies normalise -1.0 40

;------------------------------------------
;Trigger 0102_city_razed_decrease_global
;    WhenToTest CitySacked

    FactionStanding global -0.05
    FactionStanding target_faction normalise -1.0 10
    FactionStanding target_allies normalise -1.0 20
;    FactionStanding target_enemies normalise 1.0 20

**Giorgios** · December 22, 2020, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow

Yeah, I've found nothing, this is a Mongol crash. I'll try to fix it / ease the burden.
The benefit of your save file is, I'v introduced a code for Baris and Ragusion.

{Bari}Bari
{BariGreek}Baris

Code:

    declare_counter current_name_Bari        ; 0 - BariGreek, 1 - Bari    set_counter current_name_Bari 0


    monitor_event GeneralCaptureSettlement SettlementName Bari


        if I_EventCounter faction_turn_orthodox = 1


            change_settlement_name Bari BariGreek
            
            if I_EventCounter is_the_player = 1 
            and I_CompareCounter current_name_Bari < 1
                historic_event SETTLEMENT_NAME_CHANGE
            end_if
        
            set_counter current_name_Bari 1        
        end_if


        if I_EventCounter faction_turn_catholic = 0


            change_settlement_name Bari Bari
            
            if I_EventCounter is_the_player = 1 
            and I_CompareCounter current_name_Bari > 0
                historic_event SETTLEMENT_NAME_CHANGE
            end_if
        
            set_counter current_name_Bari 0        
        end_if
        
    end_monitor

Thanks in advance!

Bari is an odd one- I've seen various references to its Greek name as either being Baris or Barion- and not sure where to find sources as to which is correct.

The current names for Byzantine settlements I've taken mostly from here- the mapmaker is Ian Mladjov. I've seen his work used in academic contexts, so I think he's reasonably trustworthy.

Greek names for Byzantine-adjacent settlements, between this map and my own knowledge should be something like...

Nis- Naissos
Tarnovo- Tirnabos
Ragusa- Rausion
Skodra- Skodron
Bari- Baris, or Barion
Reggio- Rhegion
Naples- Neapolis
Palermo- Panormos
Konya- Ikonion
Ankara- Ankyra
Kayseri- Kaisareia
Sis- Sision
Sivas- Sebasteia
Trebizond- Trapezous or Trapezounta
Malatya- Melitene
Antioch- Antiokheia

**Belovèse** · December 22, 2020, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Gigantus

@Belovese:

Code:

declare_counter memoryOfCapturedSettlements          ; do I need to set the counter value before using inc_event_counter?

The declare_counter line is ineffective as your commands use event counter commands and conditions.It may however cause issue somewhere down the line as now you have a regular counter and a event counter with the same name.

And the answer is 'NO' in both cases, provided you want 'zero': both counters are initially zero: the regular counter once he is declared and the event counter before you even think of it

Thanks for your help Gigantus, so if I understand correctly I can use inc_event_counter without declaring the event before? I do indeed want 0, but I don't want it to decrease to negative values, so I just thought it should look like this?

Code:

event_monitor GeneralCaptureSettlement TrueCondition        ; is TrueCondition needed?      
    if I_EventCounter is_the_ai < 1
        inc_event_counter memoryOfCapturedSettlements 10     ; number of turn needed to forget about the capture, to be adjusted
    end_if
end_monitor

event_monitor FactionTurnStart TrueCondition
    if I_EventCounter is_the_ai < 1
        and memoryOfCapturedSettlements > 0
        inc_event_counter memoryOfCapturedSettlements -1    ; ai gradualy forgets about conquered settlements
    end_if
end_monitor

Do you know a good an complete tutorial/guide about campaign.script, so I don't bother you with many questions as I learn the file logic? I found a few related things in the index of modding resource, but nothing that seems definitive. The difference and relative use of counter and event_counter, for example, is not clear for me.

About the occupying bug, I've fixed it as I'm working on the diplomacy and standing system in my mini-mod.

**Gigantus** · December 22, 2020, 11:03 AM

You misunderstood: you declared a regular counter. Not a event counter. And then used event counter conditions (I_EventCounter) and commands (inc_event_counter) instead of regular ones (I_CompareCounter and inc_counter).

There absolutely is no need to declare a event counter. But you have to declare a regular counter.

Simply remove the declare line to avoid possible issues - everything else will work as you intended as you consistently use event counter conditions and commands.
There aren't many scripting tutorials around. Mostly it's discussions about using certain script elements. Keep the docudemons handy: it lists what 'export' a condition needs which you can then look up in the event section. Saves you a good number of questions.

And you're always welcome to ask.

**selo7602** · December 22, 2020, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Gigantus

You misunderstood: you declared a regular counter. Not a event counter. And then used event counter conditions (I_EventCounter) and commands (inc_event_counter) instead of regular ones (I_CompareCounter and inc_counter).

There absolutely is no need to declare a event counter. But you have to declare a regular counter.

Simply remove the declare line to avoid possible issues - everything else will work as you intended as you consistently use event counter conditions and commands.
There aren't many scripting tutorials around. Mostly it's discussions about using certain script elements. Keep the docudemons handy: it lists what 'export' a condition needs which you can then look up in the event section. Saves you a good number of questions.

And you're always welcome to ask.

hey guys can you please have a look at my problem above

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