Bugs Reports & Technical Help

**wassim8** · April 23, 2020, 06:48 AM

Thank you for your quick replies lads really Immense work you're doing for this world, I took that settlement by sending a character and using the character_reset command as was shown I was playing with the Romans and I didn't find any rebel characters init, but nothing changed it still crashs in this attached screenshot, so my guess It wasn't about that settlement

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Also for some reason I always finds my logs folder empty but like show it shows that it gets modified/created when I'm playing

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and here's my save Quicksave.rar

And again thank you for your tremendous time and effort that you put into this beautiful mod

**Jurand of Cracow** · April 23, 2020, 09:06 AM

To be sure: your're using SSHIP 096 with my patch from February, without any other submod (like KCC)?

btw, log is not located in the log folder, but in the main mod folder and it's called system.log.txt

**wassim8** · April 23, 2020, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow

To be sure: your're using SSHIP 096 with my patch from February, without any other submod (like KCC)?

btw, log is not located in the log folder, but in the main mod folder and it's called system.log.txt

yes not a single submod, just the 096 version with your patch of february.

for the third time thank you for your time replying to this.

system.log.txt

**Jurand of Cracow** · April 23, 2020, 09:49 AM

In this thread (or in the download 096 theread) there's a fix made by Lurex of Codex. Apply it to you version. It may work as in the log one can read:

16:46:06.862 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <GoodAdministrator_AI_buff> fired
16:46:06.862 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Miserly_Selfperpetuating> fired
16:46:06.862 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Miserly_NoGoingBack> fired
16:46:06.867 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

**wassim8** · April 23, 2020, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow

In this thread (or in the download 096 theread) there's a fix made by Lurex of Codex. Apply it to you version. It may work as in the log one can read:

16:46:06.862 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <GoodAdministrator_AI_buff> fired
16:46:06.862 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Miserly_Selfperpetuating> fired
16:46:06.862 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Miserly_NoGoingBack> fired
16:46:06.867 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

the EDCT worked perfectly ! thank you, you saved me.

**Jurand of Cracow** · April 23, 2020, 12:48 PM

thanks go to Lurex of Codex. Rep him!

**merc234** · April 23, 2020, 06:58 PM

Hello all, I was doing just fine in a Georgia campaign until about turn 40 where a started getting a CTD every few turns, and now I've got to the point where I can't progress without a crash. The crash occurs at the beginning of a new turn. Checked the log file and it seems to include a lot of script errors for character traits, followed by several instances of this:

when testing <PopulationOwnReligion> condition
00:51:05.336 [game.script] [error] Trigger processing error in <Deranged_Not_Own_Religion>
: PopulationOwnReligion needs a character in a land region.

when testing <PopulationOwnReligion> condition
00:51:09.512 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

I have followed all the installation instructions to the letter, and I'm running the game on Windows 10 from disc.

**DaddyPanda** · April 24, 2020, 12:08 AM

whenever I launch the game, it just crashes to the desktop

**Lifthrasir** · April 24, 2020, 01:52 AM

Looks like an installation problem. Have you followed the installation instructions?

**Jurand of Cracow** · April 24, 2020, 02:37 AM

@merc234 - same as in the wassim8 case.

**Aquila SPQR** · April 25, 2020, 08:59 AM

My log:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

I have edited the file and removed all NGB traits.

**Jurand of Cracow** · April 25, 2020, 10:40 AM

All errors listed here are harmloss as far as the CTD is concerned. Furhtermore, there's 4 sec. time after the last one. Nothing tells what's up.

**Aquila SPQR** · April 25, 2020, 06:58 PM

SSHIP 0.9.7 installed on clean SS 6.4 - after enjoying 22 turns without CTD I have this on Papal States turn:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

I changed the mod to be 4tpy if that's important.

EDIT: I tried it three times, CTD on Papal States turn every time. Surprisingly new logs do not have that lines I posted above.

**Jurand of Cracow** · April 26, 2020, 12:44 AM

upload the save and the files you've modified to get 4 TPY, pls

As you know, I don't think changing 2TPY into 4TPY is innocuous.

For the other players, who would like to pursue this path, I'd just recall my previous entry elsewhere:

Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow

There're two additional issues:

1) the pace at which the characters (generals, agents) gain traits. The probabilities of gaining those traits are calibrated with a view of "how many turns is an average character in play". The aim is to make "leveling up" traits reasonable in time: they should get the higher and highest levels of a trait only after some time, and they should not get all of the traits. If you double the turns without re-calibrating the probabilities you'll get super-heroes, not historical generals: they will get the highest levels in their 20ties and then they'll get tons of other traits, also getting the highest levels within their life-span.
You may like it, but I feel it wouldn't feel historical.
(and re-calibration is rather laborious in the RTW/M2TW modding, especially for such an advanced mod)

2) how the players feel staying the whole campaign with the same generals. With 2TPY the change happens and the aging is palpable. You've got a young general with a bright future, but after 20 turns he's not so young anymore. With 4TPY is slows down much. Depending on how many turns the people play, you may stay only with 1-2 generations of generals, or you may see 5-6 (this is the number I usually get in my games, I tend to get bored with the games after 150-200 turns).
However, some people may like staying with the same generals, so it's a matter of taste.

JoC

**kostic** · April 26, 2020, 04:56 AM

If the game had 4 seasons, probably I would like 4 rounds a year ...
But this is not the case !
I think there would be better things to do: make the snow random in winter. Every winter our soldiers fight in the snow; Isn't there a way to do something on this side ?

**DaddyPanda** · April 26, 2020, 07:52 AM

when testing <PopulationOwnReligion> condition
20:07:08.625 [game.script] [error] Trigger processing error in <Deranged_Not_Own_Religion>
: PopulationOwnReligion needs a character in a land region.

when testing <PopulationOwnReligion> condition
20:07:10.523 [game.script] [error] Trigger processing error in <Deranged_Not_Own_Religion>
: PopulationOwnReligion needs a character in a land region.

when testing <PopulationOwnReligion> condition
20:07:14.196 [game.script] [error] Trigger processing error in <Deranged_Not_Own_Religion>
: PopulationOwnReligion needs a character in a land region.

when testing <PopulationOwnReligion> condition
20:07:19.789 [game.script] [error] Trigger processing error in <Deranged_Not_Own_Religion>
: PopulationOwnReligion needs a character in a land region.

when testing <PopulationOwnReligion> condition
20:07:23.993 [game.script] [error] Trigger processing error in <Deranged_Not_Own_Religion>
: PopulationOwnReligion needs a character in a land region.

when testing <PopulationOwnReligion> condition
20:07:26.313 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

help with this please

**Aquila SPQR** · April 26, 2020, 08:07 AM

Save and two modified files are in the 7z archive. I changed descr_strat like this:

start_date 1132 winter
end_date 9999 winter
timescale 0.25

marian_reforms_disabled
rebelling_characters_active
gladiator_uprising_disabled
night_battles_enabled
show_date_as_turns
brigand_spawn_value 999
pirate_spawn_value 999

and added this to the campaign_script:

; 1. 12 Turns per year.
declare_counter quarter
set_counter quarter 1 ;set to January

monitor_event PreFactionTurnStart FactionIsLocal ; set the season for each quarter
if I_CompareCounter quarter == 1 ;Jan, Feb, March
console_command season winter
end_if

if I_CompareCounter quarter == 2 ;April, May, June
console_command season summer
end_if

if I_CompareCounter quarter == 3 ;July, Aug, Sept
console_command season summer
end_if

if I_CompareCounter quarter == 4 ;Oct, Nov, Dec
console_command season winter
end_if

inc_counter quarter 1 ;advance the quarter
if I_CompareCounter quarter == 5 ;start a new year
set_counter quarter 1
end_if
end_monitor

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType slave
and I_CompareCounter quarter > 1
console_command season summer
end_monitor

That's what I was always doing with all other mods I played and it was always working fine.

With 2TPY the change happens and the aging is palpable. You've got a young general with a bright future, but after 20 turns he's not so young anymore.

And that's the problem. There are two parallel "flows of time" in this game. The first one is year counter and the second is "what characters are able to do during that time". In real world these two timelines are the same - during 24 hours you can do no more no less than 24 hours of anything you like. If you walk with 1km/h speed you will travel exactly 24 kilometers, no more, no less. In the game those timelines start to separate and the less turns per year are available - the less time your character has to do the same thing he'd do if you had more turns per year. Imagine Fatimids sending an envoy to sign a trade agreement with England. With 6tpy he will reach England in (let's say) 1 year. Change it to 2tpy and he'll have to spend 3 years to do the same. Years counter is still the same - years are flowing one by one. But the amount of things you can do during those years is reduced drastically.

And that's my biggest flaw of 2tpy and why I always played at 6tpy at minimum and right now I consider 4tpy bare minimum to play any mod. Playing 2tpy is like this joke with doctor telling the patient to not worry because he'll have his entire life to do anything he want and then informing him he's got only week of life left.

**Lifthrasir** · April 26, 2020, 08:07 AM

@ DaddyPanda, let's proceed by step. Are you able to launch the game now?

**Tripledot** · April 26, 2020, 08:44 AM

Is the amount of generals getting the "Twisted by Violence" trait (Tier 3 of Hardened) WAD? Because it seems like everyone gets it within just 2-3 battles and in a recent campaign I got it on two characters in one turn, neither of whom had even fought a battle yet! I think the threshold needs to be increased dramatically. The Deranged trait also crops up way too often- either chances of it happening need to decrease or there should be large chance to passively decrease it if stationed in a city (perhaps via church/monastery buildings).

**Jurand of Cracow** · April 26, 2020, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Tripledot

Is the amount of generals getting the "Twisted by Violence" trait (Tier 3 of Hardened) WAD? Because it seems like everyone gets it within just 2-3 battles and in a recent campaign I got it on two characters in one turn, neither of whom had even fought a battle yet! I think the threshold needs to be increased dramatically. The Deranged trait also crops up way too often- either chances of it happening need to decrease or there should be large chance to passively decrease it if stationed in a city (perhaps via church/monastery buildings).

Have a look here and change your EDCT accrodingly.
On Hardened - I'm looking into the matter, not yet sure what causes it.
Good point of chance to lower it while in the city. I'll think about it.

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