SSHIP - General Discussion

[Stivanderen]

Question for the mod team: If you had the maps would you guys be willing to make cities such as venice, constantinople, bologna and novgorod into custom settlements?

[Belovèse]

Question for the mod team: If you had the maps would you guys be willing to make cities such as venice, constantinople, bologna and novgorod into custom settlements?

Only speaking for myself and not for the team, I would love that, as well as custom campaign map models for those settlements!

[kostic]

Absolutely ! If any modder knew how to customize certain cities it would be an added advantage for our mod !

[Jurand of Cracow]

Question for the mod team: If you had the maps would you guys be willing to make cities such as venice, constantinople, bologna and novgorod into custom settlements?

Welll, among the current team nobody have been involved in moding maps. If you, @Stivanderen, would like to express creativity through making such things, we'd be very happy to included it in the mod, of course.

[Stivanderen]

I dont have any experience and have no idea how to do. But i know that fx novgorod as a wooden venice could very well be represented by lake town in the lord of the rings mods. Tsardoms also seems to have custom to have settlements. But I'll gladly look into it.

Edit: Btw what settlements should be custom? Atm the ones i have ideas for are venice, novgorod, constantinople, bologna(look up shadiversity's city of castles video it awesome). I cant really come up with any other settlements atm.

[Jurand of Cracow]

I dont have any experience and have no idea how to do. But i know that fx novgorod as a wooden venice could very well be represented by lake town in the lord of the rings mods. Tsardoms also seems to have custom to have settlements. But I'll gladly look into it.

Edit: Btw what settlements should be custom? Atm the ones i have ideas for are venice, novgorod, constantinople, bologna(look up shadiversity's city of castles video it awesome). I cant really come up with any other settlements atm.

I'd say the choice of the settlements is secondary, I don't know which exist and how difficult it is to implement them into the mod. I'd expect it to be very hard. I'm not sure it's the best way into modding for a potential new moders. You could easily get discouraged...

[Stivanderen]

I'll just sniff around abit and see what has been made that can be borrowed with permission.

[DoritoJunkie]

is the campaign map finalized or still a wip? I miss my Athens, Marseille, Medina, etc.

[Jurand of Cracow]

is the campaign map finalized or still a wip? I miss my Athens, Marseille, Medina, etc.

We miss them as well! However, there's a hardcoded limit of 200 provinces in the med2 engine, and we've arrived to that limit long time ago, perhaps two generations of modders back.

[DoritoJunkie]

btw, is the usurper trait working as intended? Just had a civil war kicked off and I don't want to waste time killing all other contenders just to find out my emperor still couldn't be crowned, thanks.

[Belovèse]

btw, is the usurper trait working as intended? Just had a civil war kicked off and I don't want to waste time killing all other contenders just to find out my emperor still couldn't be crowned, thanks.

What version are you playing on? The crowns should be working properly on the last 0.98 release.

[Jurand of Cracow]

btw, is the usurper trait working as intended? Just had a civil war kicked off and I don't want to waste time killing all other contenders just to find out my emperor still couldn't be crowned, thanks.

Well, I haven't worked on this, but it should work as intended by the previous moders:

;========================================================;--------- No Longer Usurper (Established a New House) --


;------------------------------------------
Trigger new_house_spain1
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition IsFactionLeader
and Trait Usurper > 2
and I_EventCounter new_house_spain = 1
and CharFactionType spain

Affects Usurper -5 Chance 100
Affects Factionleader 3 Chance 100
Affects Royal_Founder 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger new_house_spain2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition not IsFactionLeader
and Trait Usurper = 1
and I_EventCounter new_house_spain = 1
and CharFactionType spain

Affects Usurper -1 Chance 100

; ---------- (V) End Civil War after Period of Resistance ---------------------------- ; (if it's the lucky number (resistance) for a faction, then end civil war and get rid of the Usurper trait (the trigger reacting to "new_house_spain" is in EDCT)
log ------ end civil wars after some time


if I_EventCounter resistance = 1
if I_EventCounter civil_war_spain_going_on = 1


if I_FactionLeaderTrait spain Usurper > 2
set_event_counter new_house_spain 1
end_if


historic_event end_civil_war_spain
increment_kings_purse spain 1000
set_event_counter civil_war_spain_going_on 0
end_if
end_if

[j.a.luna]

Eiii guys how is work going on the mod? Will we have version 0.98 finished soon?
I bring you here a youtube review ("the Terminator") about sship mod, the truth is that it explains it very well to publicize the mod.
Keep up the good work!

YOUTUBE LINK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivv_VFB_kXQ&t=13s

[Jurand of Cracow]

Eiii guys how is work going on the mod? Will we have version 0.98 finished soon?
I bring you here a youtube review ("the Terminator") about sship mod, the truth is that it explains it very well to publicize the mod.
Keep up the good work!

YOUTUBE LINK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivv_VFB_kXQ&t=13s

Thanks for the news, j.a!
Maybe you can write a comment under that video of Terminator that de facto there's a new version available - 098 - with a link to our webpage?

[j.a.luna]

Thanks for the news, j.a!
Maybe you can write a comment under that video of Terminator that de facto there's a new version available - 098 - with a link to our webpage?

yes @jurand! In fact, I already wrote it yesterday in the comments and I left the link to the new version so that everyone could see it.

[CIvIIIFan]

After browsing through forum and googling I decided to register for one question.
Is it possible to edit SSHIP 0.98 to play 4 TPY with proper character ageing and accurate events? So far I have only found explanations/guides and downloads for Stainless Steel 6.4. version. But I prefer this one.

[Jurand of Cracow]

After browsing through forum and googling I decided to register for one question.
Is it possible to edit SSHIP 0.98 to play 4 TPY with proper character ageing and accurate events? So far I have only found explanations/guides and downloads for Stainless Steel 6.4. version. But I prefer this one.

It is possible but it'd have required a few hundred hours of work of a scripter with some experience.

There're two additional issues:

1) the pace at which the characters (generals, agents) gain traits. The probabilities of gaining those traits are calibrated with a view of "how many turns is an average character in play". The aim is to make "leveling up" traits reasonable in time: they should get the higher and highest levels of a trait only after some time, and they should not get all of the traits. If you double the turns without re-calibrating the probabilities you'll get super-heroes, not historical generals: they will get the highest levels in their 20ties and then they'll get tons of other traits, also getting the highest levels within their life-span.
You may like it, but I feel it wouldn't feel historical.
(and re-calibration is rather laborious in the RTW/M2TW modding, especially for such an advanced mod)

2) how the players feel staying the whole campaign with the same generals. With 2TPY the change happens and the aging is palpable. You've got a young general with a bright future, but after 20 turns he's not so young anymore. With 4TPY is slows down much. Depending on how many turns the people play, you may stay only with 1-2 generations of generals, or you may see 5-6 (this is the number I usually get in my games, I tend to get bored with the games after 150-200 turns).
However, some people may like staying with the same generals, so it's a matter of taste.

JoC

[chooychooman]

I have just started playing the mod and I have really enjoyed it so far, however I got a question about certain traits, specifically 'abhors construction' and 'sloppy builder'. I have read the description of the sloppy builder trait, do I have to let my characters manage the city themselves by putting it on auto manage so they do not gain this trait? If that is the case am I able to remove this trait by allowing them to manage the city.

[NotZaran5]

HI! I'm back with yet another question. I downloaded 0.98 and launched it with the launcher .bat file. Thats good and all but the game isnt in full screen. The game is on like 60% of the screen. Can anyone help?

[Jurand of Cracow]

I have just started playing the mod and I have really enjoyed it so far, however I got a question about certain traits, specifically 'abhors construction' and 'sloppy builder'. I have read the description of the sloppy builder trait, do I have to let my characters manage the city themselves by putting it on auto manage so they do not gain this trait? If that is the case am I able to remove this trait by allowing them to manage the city.

I've never played with auto manage. I don't think this is a way to prevent it.
The main way to get good builders traits is to finish building a building when the general is in the settlement.

If you're interested in the traits' system, here is a thread for you. (sadly, I've moded builders traits later, so these are not described - but you may get an idea how it works.
The relevant code is here:

;========================================================================================= BUILDER;--------- Builder ----------------------------------
;-- Good: levels(points) 1(6),2(12),3(22)
;-- Bad: levels(points) 1(2),2(4),3(6)
;
;-- mostly finished buildings: should be in the province for a year, and end movement in the settlement
;-- minimum requirement is FitForOffice and positive Intelligence
;-- 1 year-stay in the province required, but 2-year is better (ie: 2 or 4 turns ended in the province, last in the settlement)
;-- benefiting from just staying is related to the presence (or not) of ongoing building project
;-- BadBuilder comes from not building while having some bad traits
;-- also Teenagers get points
;
;-- How many points is collected per 1 building finished:
; regular buildings: 1.0
; great buildings (Cathedral, Fortress, Great Bimaristan etc.): 2.0
; Intelligent, Genius, MathematicsSkill:  each 1.0
; University, CastleLibrary, MasonsGuild: each 1.0
; Advanced Admin and Pagan Education:  1.0
; Smart with Advanced Admin and Pagan Education: 1.0
; lack of any Education: -1.0


;-- How many points is collected per 10 years (20 turns):
; building Intelligent, Upright, Aesthetic, Cultured: each 1.0
; not building: -1.0
; not building traits seriously drinking, Corrupt, Embezzler, also Slothful, Insane, Generous, Aesthetic: each -1.0
;
; that makes (10 years staying, 1 building, 1 great building):
; Intelligent: 5.0
; Smart educated AdminMind in developed city: 8.0


; Higher levels not possible for Drink, Girls, Unfit.


;======================================================================== GOOD Builder Building (GBC)
;----- Builder Building --------------
;-- triggers for specific buildings are in the other section


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Intelligent
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and EndedInSettlement
       and TimeInRegion > 3
       and Trait Intelligent > 5
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30
 
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Genius
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and EndedInSettlement
       and TimeInRegion > 3
       and Trait Intelligent > 7
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_MathematicalSkill
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and EndedInSettlement
       and TimeInRegion > 3
       and Trait MathematicsSkill > 0
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30
 
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Intelligent_University
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and EndedInSettlement
	   and SettlementBuildingExists >= university
       and TimeInRegion > 3
       and Trait Intelligent > 5
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Intelligent_Castle_Library
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and EndedInSettlement
	   and SettlementBuildingExists >= castle_library
       and TimeInRegion > 3
       and Trait Intelligent > 5
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Intelligent_Masons_Guild
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and EndedInSettlement
	   and SettlementBuildingExists >= masons_guild
       and TimeInRegion > 3
       and Trait Intelligent > 5
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30


 
;======================================================================== GOOD Builder Living while Building
;----- Builder Living --------------


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_Building_Intelligent
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and not BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 3
       and Trait Intelligent > 5
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 5


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_Building_Upright
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and not BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 3
       and Trait Upright > 0
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 5


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_Building_Aesthetic
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and not BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 3
       and Trait Aesthetic > 0
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 5


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_Building_Cultured
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and not BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 3
       and Trait Cultured > 0
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 5


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_Building_Generous
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and not BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 3
       and Trait Generous > 0
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 5


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_LearnsWorldOnCrusade
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


 Condition IsOnCrusade
       and IsRegionCrusadeTarget
       and Trait Intelligent > 6
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 5




;======================================================================== BAD Builder
;----- BadBuilder Living --------------
; remember: levels(points) 1(2),2(4),3(6) 
; this is the place where all traits will appear in context of "BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash"
; it is very likely situation in the SSHIP as there're always buildings you don't want to build


;------------------------------------------ Not building while staying 6 turns: 1%
Trigger Builder_Not_Building_Uneducated
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 5
       and RemainingMPPercentage > 95
       and Trait Wantschool < 1	   
       and RandomPercent > 80
	   
 Affects BadBuilder 1 Chance 5 
 Affects Drink 1 Chance 2
 Affects Gambling 1 Chance 2
 Affects Slothful 1 Chance 2
 
;------------------------------------------ Slothful not building while staying 6 turns: 1%
Trigger Builder_Not_Building_Slothful
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 5
       and RemainingMPPercentage > 95
       and Trait Slothful > 0
       and RandomPercent > 80
	   
 Affects BadBuilder 1 Chance 5 
 Affects Slothful 1 Chance 2
 
;------------------------------------------ Drinker not building while staying 6 turns: 1%
Trigger Builder_Not_Building_Drinker
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 5
       and RemainingMPPercentage > 95
       and Trait Drink > 2
       and RandomPercent > 80
	   
 Affects BadBuilder 1 Chance 5 


;------------------------------------------ Insane not building while staying 6 turns: 1%
Trigger Builder_Not_Building_Insane
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 5
       and RemainingMPPercentage > 95	   
       and Trait Insane > 0
       and RandomPercent > 80
	   
 Affects BadBuilder 1 Chance 5


;------------------------------------------ Generous not building while staying 6 turns: 1%
Trigger Builder_Not_Building_Generous
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 5
       and RemainingMPPercentage > 95	   
       and Trait Generous > 0
       and RandomPercent > 80
	   
 Affects BadBuilder 1 Chance 5
 
;------------------------------------------  Corrupt not building while staying 5 turns: 1%  (note: no trigger for Embezzler)
Trigger Builder_Not_Building_Corrupt
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 5
       and RemainingMPPercentage > 95
       and Trait Corrupt > 1
       and RandomPercent > 80
	   
 Affects BadBuilder 1 Chance 5




;------------------------------------------  Very Corrupt not building while staying 3 turns: 10%
Trigger BadBuilder_Not_Building_Corrupt
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 2
       and Trait BadBuilder < 2        ; doesn't make him the worst builder
       and Trait Corrupt > 2           ; only for highest levels of bad traits
	   
 Affects BadBuilder 1 Chance 10
 
;------------------------------------------  Very Angry not building while staying 3 turns: 10%
Trigger BadBuilder_Anger
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 2
       and Trait BadBuilder < 2
       and Trait Anger > 2
	   
 Affects BadBuilder 1 Chance 10


;------------------------------------------ Heavy Drinker not building while staying 3 turns: 10%
Trigger BadBuilder_HeavyDrink
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 2
       and Trait BadBuilder < 2
       and Trait Drink > 4
	   
 Affects BadBuilder 1 Chance 10
 


;======================================================================== Builder Education
;----- Builder Education ------------------
; having advance education is very conducive to getting GoodBuilder


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Unschooled             ; Unschooled is likely to make big mistakes, and then replicate them
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and Trait Western_Edu < 1
       and Trait Eastern_Edu < 1
       and Trait Greek_Edu < 1
       and Trait Pagan_Edu < 1
       and Trait Military_Edu < 2
	   
 Affects BadBuilder 1 Chance 30
 
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Intelligent_Western_Advanced
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and Trait Western_Edu > 2
       and TimeInRegion > 1
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Smart_Western_Advanced
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and Trait Western_Edu > 2
       and Trait Intelligent > 6
       and TimeInRegion > 1
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30
 
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Intelligent_Muslim_Advanced
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and Trait Eastern_Edu > 2
       and TimeInRegion > 1
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Smart_Muslim_Advanced
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and Trait Eastern_Edu > 2
       and Trait Intelligent > 6
       and TimeInRegion > 1
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Intelligent_Greek_Advanced
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and Trait Greek_Edu > 2
       and TimeInRegion > 1
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30
 
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Smart_Greek_Advanced
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and Trait Greek_Edu > 2
       and TimeInRegion > 1
       and Trait Intelligent > 6
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30
 
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Intelligent_Pagan_Advanced
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and Trait Pagan_Edu > 2
       and TimeInRegion > 1
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_GBC_Smart_Pagan_Advanced
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted


 Condition IsGeneral
       and Trait Pagan_Edu > 2
       and TimeInRegion > 1
       and Trait Intelligent > 6
	   and Trait FitForOffice > 1
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 70
 Affects GoodBuilder 1 Chance 30
 
 
;======================================================================== Builder Loss
;----- Builder Loss  ----------------------------------
;-- very rare situations just to ensure
;-- that those with other interests are not superb builder


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_OtherInterests_Drink
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 2
       and Trait GoodBuilder > 2
       and Trait Drink > 3
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder -1 Chance 33


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_OtherInterests_Girls
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 2
       and Trait GoodBuilder > 2
       and Trait Girls > 2
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder -1 Chance 33


;------------------------------------------
Trigger Builder_Unfit
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


 Condition IsGeneral
       and BuildingQueueIdleDespiteCash
       and TimeInRegion > 2
       and Trait GoodBuilder > 1
       and Trait FitForOffice < 2
	   
 Affects GoodBuilder -1 Chance 33