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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After more than a decade focused on combating Islamist militancy, Western military planners are once again contemplating potential war between major powers - and how to prevent one happening by accident.

    Although the Cold War rivalry with Moscow has never been forgotten, current and former Western officials say Russia's annexation of Crimea has NATO powers tearing up strategic assumptions and grimly considering both conventional and nuclear fights.

    As late as March, most NATO powers - with the exception of eastern members such as the Baltic States long worried by Moscow - had assumed Europe itself faced no imminent military threat.

    It is still the case that few believe Russia would attack any NATO state, but, in order to deter, Western officials say they must consider and plan for the contingency.

    The threat to U.S. allies in the Pacific from a stronger China has also focused military minds on how to contain the risks there, and ensure any localized conflict does not spill over into global war.

    In a major foreign policy speech at the West Point military academy last month, President Barack Obama spoke mostly on counterterrorism and the Afghanistan withdrawal. But while he said the risk from other nations was now much lower than before the Berlin Wall fell, he made clear it still existed.

    "Regional aggression that goes unchecked, whether in southern Ukraine or the South China Sea or anywhere else in the world, will ultimately impact our allies and could draw in our military," he told graduating cadets.

    Tensions with Moscow and Beijing have increased faster than almost anyone in government in Washington expected. They are expected to dominate a meeting between Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Normandy for the 70th anniversary of D-Day later this week.

    Last weekend's annual Shangri-La Dialogue strategic conference in Singapore, meanwhile, showcased the growing gulf between Washington and Beijing on issues from regional maritime disputes to cyber security.

    In recent weeks, current and former officials say, the Obama administration has been insistently reassuring allies and signaling foes where Washington's true red lines are.

    Washington might not be prepared to act militarily in Ukraine but an attack on a NATO state such as one of the Baltics or a formal Asian ally like Japan, the Philippines or Australia would commit it irrevocably to war. Those treaty obligations are not new, but U.S. officials say it is important to make clear that they are taken extremely seriously.

    They hope that will reduce the risk of an accidental war where a state takes action wrongly assuming other powers will not respond.

    "It's not that the leadership in Russia or China is looking for a war - and the United States certainly isn't," says Kathleen Hicks, a U.S. undersecretary for defense until last July who now works for the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

    "The real worry is miscalculation."
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    Well, Clausewitz' observation still stands true today - war only starts when people has the illusion they can win. I don't see how anyone would dare challenge US militarily today, but it is difficult to say 20 years later. Hopefully when the time comes my generation would have wisdom enough to stop the madness our great grandfather's generation failed to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post

    Well, Clausewitz' observation still stands true today - war only starts when people has the illusion they can win. I don't see how anyone would dare challenge US militarily today
    Are you being deliberately ironic?

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    There are two potential threats to global peace and security, excluding Islamic extremism. One is Mr Putin's reckless approach to dealing with possible internal threats to his administration, by instigating measures to destablise the Ukraine and portray the West as being anti Russian in its support of Kiev.

    The other is the build up of military hardware in South East Asia and a polarisation between China and it's neighbours, especially Japan. Both are similar, in that both are the result of autocratic regime's fear of the recent upheavals in global politics, which have seen widespread internal unrest and protest against governments, the Arab Spring being a notable example.

    A build up of armaments amongst Asian countries, would be worrying reminiscent of the build up of arms prior to WWI and China's provocative actions in securing drilling for oil in the South China Seas might trigger a very messy conflict. I doubt drilling rights for oil, is at the forefront of the average Chinese person's worries. But clean air, clean food and such essentials as safe baby milk would certainly be and have prompted widespread unrest.

    It is the 25th anniversary of the massacre that happened in Tiananmen Square and a time that people everywhere should reflect on whether those that rule their country are doing so in their interests or their own. Those that start wars should be the only ones that fight them and I am hopeful that the people of the World are becoming closer together and less able to be pushed into conflict by those who rule over them.
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    Wars started for all sorts of reasons, and the winners later wrote the narrative to suit their view point.
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    I personally welcome more conventional wars since I plan on joining the Canadian Army as an officer, and if we fight in more wars that means a better chance of me achieving the rank of General in a relatively short period of time. Also, I think people are relying a bit too much in nuclear weapons to prevent a conventional war. Let's say China and the US gets into a ground war in the Philippines, North Korea or some African country, i'm 99% sure that the leaders of their respective countries wouldn't deploy nuclear weapons, but fight using conventional means; the conflict would stop once one force is defeated on the battlefield and it would end there. The US wouldn't pursue Chinese forces into Chinese mainland and vice versa for the Chinese if they defeat US forces, but rather a treaty of some sort would be signed; the losing country would be forced to make concessions and it would end there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Nihilism View Post
    I personally welcome more conventional wars since I plan on joining the Canadian Army as an officer, and if we fight in more wars that means a better chance of me achieving the rank of General in a relatively short period of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TWmodding View Post
    May I ask what you are going to do when you achieve that rank, sir?
    Run for Prime Minister of course. History has taught me that military Generals/war heroes are respected by the civilian populace, so I figure I would join the Army, gain an excellent reputation and then lead this country into a new age of prosperity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Nihilism View Post
    Run for Prime Minister of course. History has taught me that military Generals/war heroes are respected by the civilian populace, so I figure I would join the Army, gain an excellent reputation and then lead this country into a new age of prosperity.
    You do know that you need to go through extensive military school before becoming an officer, then you need to rise through the ranks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrZanyGaming View Post
    You do know that you need to go through extensive military school before becoming an officer, then you need to rise through the ranks?
    Yes, i'm well aware of the education requirements for joining the Canadian Army as an officer. I'm determined to accomplish my goals no matter the cost because when this "Great War" happens, guess which country will become the global superpower on this planet? The Canadian Empire and I'll be leading it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Nihilism View Post
    I personally welcome more conventional wars since I plan on joining the Canadian Army as an officer, and if we fight in more wars that means a better chance of me achieving the rank of General in a relatively short period of time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Nihilism View Post
    Run for Prime Minister of course. History has taught me that military Generals/war heroes are respected by the civilian populace, so I figure I would join the Army, gain an excellent reputation and then lead this country into a new age of prosperity.
    That would be a very interesting interview at the recruitment center.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Nihilism View Post
    I personally welcome more conventional wars since I plan on joining the Canadian Army as an officer, and if we fight in more wars that means a better chance of me achieving the rank of General in a relatively short period of time.
    Than I wish and pray the God that you wage many wars in your country, with the heaviest fightings in your home town. I also wish you to got as many medals, which your nurse can hang on your weal chair, because you will lost your arms, too in brave action

    PS. This post is GREAT example how arrogant to the point of disbelief, some westerners are..wars are some video game happening somewhere else, where we come in cool uniforms and shiny new modern toys and kick some aboriginal savages asses
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    I don't see how anyone would dare challenge US militarily today
    Best Korea would
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    Best Korea would
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    China might, if the current government is over-thrown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4th Regiment View Post
    Than I wish and pray the God that you wage many wars in your country, with the heaviest fightings in your home town. I also wish you to got as many medals, which your nurse can hang on your weal chair, because you will lost your arms, too in brave action

    PS. This post is GREAT example how arrogant to the point of disbelief, some westerners are..wars are some video game happening somewhere else, where we come in cool uniforms and shiny new modern toys and kick some aboriginal savages asses
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    In the event of a new 'world war', it seems to be certain that at some point nuclear weapons will be used.

    So if such a war happens, well, the day after the war will be considerably different for our species.

    All world wars (and by extention virtually all wars which were not just 'colonial' ones) ended only when the one side was at a breaking point, or already past it. But with nukes this point is not to be reached in the old way. Why march a sea of soldiers towards an enemy capital, if they are on route merely so as to observe the nukes flying above them to the direction of their own country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    In the event of a new 'world war', it seems to be certain that at some point nuclear weapons will be used.
    Actually not really. During world war 2 both the British and the Germans had extreme numbers in Chemical weapons which could have caused as much if not more long term damage than the bombs in Nagasaki and Hirojima. Yet neither side used the weapons in fear of a response.

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    We should re militarize Germany and Japan immediately. If anything does go down, they'll be on the front lines of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    In the event of a new 'world war', it seems to be certain that at some point nuclear weapons will be used.
    Leaders around the world aren't that stupid or egotistical (except NK maybe). Mutually Assured Destruction friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrZanyGaming View Post

    Leaders around the world aren't that stupid or egotistical (except NK maybe). Mutually Assured Destruction friend.
    I don't think any country would likely not use nukes if it is faced with the ultimatum to have a considerable part carved out of it, or massive war reperations. To think the opposite is far stranger. Of course if the 'leaders' are themselves bought and paid for, they can always argue that they should not use nukes and accept the defeat. But it is not like AH, ww1 or ww2 Germany, ww1 Russia or anyone else would accept ends to those wars which let them down, if they also had nuclear weapons around. So the nukes are there to prevent a world war. If the world war happens, i don't at all think it will end without them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrZanyGaming View Post
    We should re militarize Germany and Japan immediately. If anything does go down, they'll be on the front lines of it.
    No, never ever. Let me repeat, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN! If it means Russia or China steam rolling them, so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nce_wht_guy View Post
    No, never ever. Let me repeat, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN! If it means Russia or China steam rolling them, so be it.
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