Households&traits overpowerd.

[highsis]

I played a couple of campaigns in very hard with Syracuse. In a few dozen turns I was bombarded with over a dozen households with overpowered buffs that I found silly. Some households give 15% moral boost and that seemed a bit excessive.

The same goes for traits. "Dreadful commander" rank 3 gives -15% morale debuff to enemies. I feel that some traits/households negate tactics and strategy with their sheer buff/debuff and that is very unrealistic. I think those should be a little bonus rather than a determining factor for battles.

Thoughts?

[JObadiah]

Some are more OP than others but I agree, a lot of them are very OP.

[m_1512]

I am working on traits which should make this interesting. I request you to please wait for sometime as it takes time to come on a system and make modifications.

[highsis]

I am working on traits which should make this interesting. I request you to please wait for sometime as it takes time to come on a system and make modifications.

Glad to hear it. I hope the new traits receive more attention towards their balance, too.

[m_1512]

woooooo ahhhhhhhh shiny


no really glad you guys are on it.

Trust me, I am as excited about this as you are.

Glad to hear it. I hope the new traits receive more attention towards their balance, too.

This will be a complete overhaul of how it is done. My prime focus while designing this is to make traits matter and put some role-playing element into it at the same time. The only spoiler I will give now about this is that the new system, if implemented, will define the character.

[Butan]

the new system, if implemented, will define the character.

Implying it will influence traits/ancillaries trigger and ranks?

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Anyway, as most said here, there is quite a few unbalanced characters elements. The worst for me is the "+3 rank to all units on recruitment" general skill. Most of the things which gives hard buffs are way too strong, its better to have +x% or to change the factor completely.

[m_1512]

Implying it will influence traits/ancillaries trigger and ranks?

It would be a new system, but me and Dresden are working on this and how to make it work in the game.

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Why isn't this showing in your post? I would not have any problem sharing the information with you, but just that I want to make sure what is possible with the current modding situation and working on it before making a final announcement.

Anyway, as most said here, there is quite a few unbalanced characters elements. The worst for me is the "+3 rank to all units on recruitment" general skill. Most of the things which gives hard buffs are way too strong, its better to have +x% or to change the factor completely.

Noted, and this is why I am working on a system.

[suras333]

Sound interesting

[m_1512]

Sound interesting

Oh it is, but we're working on it to see how it can be implemented, so cannot elaborate on it. Of course, when it is ready and planned, I'll make it as an announcement in the main section.

[pyccos]

Oh it is, but we're working on it to see how it can be implemented, so cannot elaborate on it. Of course, when it is ready and planned, I'll make it as an announcement in the main section.

woooooo ahhhhhhhh shiny


no really glad you guys are on it.

[plantagenet_king]

I had similar,problems

[Dresden]

Also in 0.9 I am reducing some of the ancillary and skill effects for certain ones.

[suras333]

Will the traits / ancillary / etc be different for each culture (faction)? It will be very cool!

[Akhenaton The Great]

I assume m_1512 that you will try implementing something that originates from the three only traits slots available in the game already. Then each trait will be ranking in a new direction based on these traits? I mean a group of traits combined in one slot? hmmm something like what EB did back then?

[antred]

Some also just plain don't make any sense, like that statuette of Mars causing any freshly recruited units to have 7% more melee strength and morale.

[zonks40]

Some also just plain don't make any sense, like that statuette of Mars causing any freshly recruited units to have 7% more melee strength and morale.

Or the Shrine to Leonidas causing public disorder, while saying it does the opposite in the description.

One of the biggest problems I have found is that after a few of these traits, plus buildings, you can recruit gold chevron troops with gold sword and shield straight out of the barracks, however the AI does not seem to take advantage of this.

[Butan]

If I was born in a settlement which was adorned with a statue of Mars, I would sure be stronger than the rest of the commoners. If you dont believe it you are truely a heretic!

[Dresden]

As I have stated previously, the system in open to abuse by the player without a doubt, similar to stacking building bonuses from the buff buildings.

It is there to provide a depth and interesting system for players who like to roleplay and have variety. However, it is certainly open to abuse by min/maxing.

[zonks40]

As I have stated previously, the system in open to abuse by the player without a doubt, similar to stacking building bonuses from the buff buildings.

It is there to provide a depth and interesting system for players who like to roleplay and have variety. However, it is certainly open to abuse by min/maxing.

No doubt, the only time I have seen it is when playing a multiplayer campaign, as far as the single player game it comes down to the players choice in weather to do it or not.

[Elin4Lyfe]

Any way to get the AI to dedicate a province (say, one with iron or copper) to unit recruitment?

I would also like to see unit caps on recruitment, as I think it hinders the AI more than the player - if a player wants, they'll just recruit elite units and pass them off to another general to use, and repeat until full. The AI can't do this, and in general this means weaker late game armies for them.