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    Default No-fly zone is imposed on Benghazi by Libyan government!!

    Well, may be US can help again?

    A no-fly zone has been imposed over Libya's second city of Benghazi, the army has announced.

    The move follows clashes between a paramilitary force and Islamist militants which resulted in 43 deaths and more than 100 injuries.

    There have also been regular clashes in Benghazi between the army and militants blamed for killing security personnel.

    Libya's leaders have struggled to bring stability to the country since Muammar Gaddafi was removed from power in 2011.

    A planned new constitution remains unwritten and the country has had three prime ministers since March.

    The eastern city of Benghazi was at the heart of the anti-Gaddafi uprising.

    The BBC's Rana Jawad in the capital, Tripoli, says that the no-fly zone declared by the army chief is an attempt to prevent the new paramilitary force from using air power against Islamist militias in Benghazi.
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    Wait, so a militia/paramilitary group wants to get rid an Islamist militia organization, while the government in Tripoli wants to protect the Islamists and condemned the paramilitary group as traitors? I don't know, this whole thing looks so buzzard to me, hopefully it is not the prelude of full out civil war though.
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    If you can enforce it, a no fly zone tends to portend no good.
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    The government in Tripoli doesn't want to protect the Islamists, they want to maintain their authority (not that they ever had any). Parts of the military have gone renegade and aren't following orders from the government. Obviously that's a problem.
    Once a political decision has been reached to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria, CIA is prepared, and SIS (MI6) will attempt to mount minor sabotage and coup de main [sic] incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals. Incidents should not be concentrated in Damascus. [A] necessary degree of fear, [...] frontier incidents and [staged] border clashes [will] provide a pretext for intervention. The CIA and SIS should use [...] capabilities in both psychological and action fields to augment tension. [Funding should be provided for a] Free Syria Committee [and arms should be supplied to] political factions with paramilitary or other actionist capabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Well, may be US can help again?



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    Wait, so a militia/paramilitary group wants to get rid an Islamist militia organization, while the government in Tripoli wants to protect the Islamists and condemned the paramilitary group as traitors? I don't know, this whole thing looks so buzzard to me, hopefully it is not the prelude of full out civil war though.

    It's bad policy to let anyone else exercise military power in your nation outside of your control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    It's bad policy to let anyone else exercise military power in your nation outside of your control.
    It is also bad policy when government does not do anything to stop radicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    It is also bad policy when government does not do anything to stop radicals.
    They've been trying everything they can for the past two years. What are they supposed to do? Pass a bill in parliament and the militias will magically disappear? The militias exist in the first place because they possess almost all means of coercion and authority.
    Once a political decision has been reached to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria, CIA is prepared, and SIS (MI6) will attempt to mount minor sabotage and coup de main [sic] incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals. Incidents should not be concentrated in Damascus. [A] necessary degree of fear, [...] frontier incidents and [staged] border clashes [will] provide a pretext for intervention. The CIA and SIS should use [...] capabilities in both psychological and action fields to augment tension. [Funding should be provided for a] Free Syria Committee [and arms should be supplied to] political factions with paramilitary or other actionist capabilities.
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    Does Libya even have the ability to enforce a no-fly zone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Does Libya even have the ability to enforce a no-fly zone?
    I was asking myself the same question.

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    Libyan parliament comes under gunfire in Tripoli

    There has been heavy fighting outside the Libyan interim parliament in the capital Tripoli.

    MPs fled the building after heavily armed attackers tried to storm it. Some eyewitnesses say the gunmen were from the powerful Zintan Brigade of former rebel fighters.

    However, a paramilitary force backing retired general Khalifa Haftar claimed it was behind the assault.

    Authorities are struggling to contain militias that control parts of Libya.

    A planned new constitution remains unwritten and the country has had three prime ministers since March.
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    Gadaffi was right, Libya becomes a terror camp
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    This is Italy's fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    This is Italy's fault.
    Lets not point fingers now. It's Europe's fault.

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    It's Gaddafi's, he showed neither judgement nor political canniness to negotiate his way out of sticky situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    It's Gaddafi's, he showed neither judgement nor political canniness to negotiate his way out of sticky situation.
    Right, why he did not draw a red line first?
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    He did, unfortunately it was human plasma.
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    How can one enforce a no-fly-zone when you have no decent or half decent Air force?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Nihilism View Post
    How can one enforce a no-fly-zone when you have no decent or half decent Air force?
    The commander of the Libyan Air Force also just defected to the general's faction. So Libya has no air force.

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    Libyan interior ministry 'joins' rebel campaign?

    Libya's interior ministry has released a statement saying it "fully supports" an anti-government campaign led by an former army general.

    However, the interior minister Salih al-Mazig later denied supporting General Khalifa Haftar, who launched his offensive last Friday.

    Dozens of state institutions have pledged support for Gen Haftar.

    The campaign is seen as the most serious threat yet to Libya's post-Gaddafi government.

    Gen Haftar has also called for the toppling of Libya's elected parliament, which his fighters raided on Sunday.

    He led an assault against militant groups in Benghazi on Friday, which he accused the government of appeasing. He named the campaign "Libya's Dignity".

    The interior ministry praised the operation in a statement posted on its Facebook page.

    "We confirm our full support of the will of the people and of the many statements in aid of the Libya's Dignity campaign against terrorism" the statement said.

    However, the interior minister Salih al-Mazig appeared shortly afterwards on local television and denied that his ministry had pledged support to Gen Haftar.

    He said that he would stand with the "Libyan people" and not with the renegade general.

    Libya's interior ministry funds several of the armed groups that have been under attack in the past week.
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    Just start a civil war of extermination already.
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    Default No-fly zone is imposed on Benghazi by Libyan government!!

    Edit: Oops silly me, completely mis read the OP. I don't know if its something to get worked up about, every fledgling democracy has some strife.
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