The Death Penalty

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...2-inmates.html

This shocking event shows killing a man because he killed a person is wrong.You cant kill people in order to show killing is wrong.

Killer dies of heart attack after FORTY MINUTES writhing in agony and sitting up to say 'something's wrong' when experimental drug execution causes his veins to explode
Clayton Lockett execution halted 20 minutes after first drug administered
The cocktail of injections have not been tried in Oklahoma before
For reasons unclear the drugs didn't kill him
Lockett sat up 14 minutes in and said 'something's wrong'
The inmate finally suffered a massive heart attack and died at 7.06p.m.
Lockett was sentenced to death for shooting a 19-year-old Perry woman
Refused last meal as it exceeded $15 price limit

[Naca1227]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...2-inmates.html

This shocking event shows killing a man because he killed a person is wrong.You cant kill people in order to show killing is wrong.

Eh, idk about killing one man but people who murder more than once should probably not be around.

[Himster]

When killing becomes an acceptable form of justice, the individual is more likely to enforce this "justice" personally, on the street or in the home. Hence higher murder rates in areas where the state routinely kills it's citizens. That's the only reason why I'm against the death penalty. I have nothing against the "inhumane" treatment of the "poor" or "unfortunate" criminal, or the marginal numbers of the falsely accused.
The only redeeming quality of the death penalty is the sickly sweet sensation of vengeance the families' of victims get from it's application, while nice it doesn't justify increased murder rates. While I usually do point out that correlation does not prove causation, this case is surely an exception, the statistics are too neat to be just a massive coincidence.

[Vanoi]

The death of a murderer doesn't bother me. however the death of an innocent man does and the death penalty has been proven to have killed innocent people. How do you fix something like that?

[Andreius Pretorianus]

don t forget that keeping an innmate alive means a ton of money spent on a criminal.Better use those money to prevent this,not make more and more prinsons to house and feed them for free !

[Himster]

Executions aren't cheap.

[Ciciro]

Wasn't it found that it cost more to sentence someone to death then to just keep them in prison.

[Astaroth]

The biggest problem I have with the death penalty is that I don't want the state to have the power to legally execute unarmed and incarcerated citizens that are not currently threatening the lives or well-being of others. And I'm not even a libertarian. Before anyone brings up prison murders or released convicts going back to their old antics: the solution to that is not the death penalty but safer prisons and (if need be) longer prison sentences.

Not to mention the whole mess of executing innocent people. Of course getting locked up for many years sucks as well, but at least you have a chance of getting out again if you're innocent. If you get executed that's it, innocent or not.

[mishkin]

the solution to that is not the death penalty but safer prisons and (if need be) longer prison sentences.

and rehabilitation if possible

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

You can judge a society by how we treat the lowest in our society

[Aikanár]

Which is bad news for the US, China and Russia, amongst others.

[Gaidin]

Of all the things on that list the OP emphasizes the refusal of last meal. Bravo. We know where his priorities lie in how much the Oklahoma government botched this one.

[Surgeon]

Why they don't just OD them with morphine is beyond me. The current lethal injection method is pretty brutal, I guess they figured it's more important that those watching have peace of mind rather than the person getting executed.

[Ciabhán]

I'd bet the teenage girl was thinking something was pretty damn wrong when he killed her. He was a life long felon, shot a young girl with a shotgun, then buried her alive. No sympathy at all. Should have been done in a more timely fashion(it's been 15 years) to reduce overall expenses.

In fact they should have gone ahead and executed the fella who was scheduled to go after him too. That motherer raped and murdered an 11 month old baby. His dying painfully shouldn't bother anyone.

[Gaidin]

I'd bet the teenage girl was thinking something was pretty damn wrong when he killed her. He was a life long felon, shot a young girl with a shotgun, then buried her alive. No sympathy at all. Should have been done in a more timely fashion(it's been 15 years) to reduce overall expenses.

In fact they should have gone ahead and executed the fella who was scheduled to go after him too. That motherer raped and murdered an 11 month old baby. His dying painfully shouldn't bother anyone.

That doesn't mean you totally screw up the procedure with bad drugs like an incompetent asshat and make it so he has to die of a heart attack twenty minutes after stopping the procedure instead of from the drugs themselves. You can take your foot out of your own mouth now, because this is what sane people call cruel and unusual.

[GrnEyedDvl]

That doesn't mean you totally screw up the procedure with bad drugs like an incompetent asshat and make it so he has to die of a heart attack twenty minutes after stopping the procedure instead of from the drugs themselves. You can take your foot out of your own mouth now, because this is what sane people call cruel and unusual.

Agreed. He should have been shot. The added benefit is that the bullet costs about 30 cents compared to the thousands they spend on the drug.

[RubiconDecision]

Agreed. He should have been shot. The added benefit is that the bullet costs about 30 cents compared to the thousands they spend on the drug.

Then change the law so that "justice" is now shooting people. Why stop there? Let's just have law enforcement shoot the perpetrator when caught in the act. Better right?
If someone rapes and murders then we rape and murder them. But I suggest that the person clamoring for that kind of justice be the one who has to mete out that punishment. The angry person who feels murder is justified when another murders has to then murder others. The person angry about rape has to rape the rapist. That would be an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

That's fine as long as you're willing to do it. Sounds barbaric.

[Gaidin]

Then change the law so that "justice" is now shooting people. Why stop there? Let's just have law enforcement shoot the perpetrator when caught in the act. Better right?

That's fine as long as you're willing to do it. Sounds barbaric.

Suicide by cop has a long tradition in every country where all police are armed.

[Ciabhán]

I call what he did cruel and unusual. Why should he be treated differently?

Yeah they ed up. Do I care? From a professional standpoint sure. From a personal one not even a little bit.

I still think it'd be easier and cheaper to shoot the ers in the back of the head. That said they didn't use bad drugs they blew out a ing vein keeping the drugs from being properly administered. The first option is obviously too graphic and viscerally violent for modern society. The second could happen any time regardless of how well planned protocols are(I've blown out veins in a few people over the years, however it's generally happened in such a way that it was immediately noticed, and I wasn't attempting to execute them). A gas chamber, using something along the lines of carbon monoxide rather than a true 'poison' gas would be less likely to up.

[ivan_the_terrible]

I call what he did cruel and unusual. Why should he be treated differently?

Because your constitution prohibits it.