SHAMEFUL DISPLAY

**tonmai2541** · April 26, 2014, 11:13 AM

after I've finished with my last problem and start to play again, the MOST HORRIBLE, TERRIFIC INCIDENT YOU CAN NEVER IMAGINE HAPPENDED !!!

I was playing as the choshu with more than 14000koku flowing in(darthmod) I've just defeated a whole stack of traditional army attacking at me then it was my tern... just as I was smiling for my success I notice one thing: my income went to -9000 for the most stupid reason possible; almost, if not all, of my trade partner were getting there port ****ed up by their shogunate enemy and I could do nothing to stop them since I'm already at war with two big guys so I have to delete one of my stack painfully to counter it. Not long after that, the whole shogunate alliance declare war upon me while I am still at -8000 at turn and fighting against other imperialist faction. I guess it's time to take a break from this game now...

Satsuma, marugame, tanegashima, tosa, and the likes, SHAMEFUL DISPLAY TO YOU ALL

**Destin Faroda** · April 26, 2014, 01:47 PM

Next time, you should try to be as autarc as possible so the loss of trading partners won't hurt as much. Thanks to CA's backstabbing AI, trading and alliances are rather useless.
Paradox games have a much smarter diplomacy system where historical allies are quite friendly towards you. CA should study it.

**Stuie** · April 26, 2014, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Destin Faroda

Next time, you should try to be as autarc as possible so the loss of trading partners won't hurt as much. Thanks to CA's backstabbing AI, trading and alliances are rather useless.
Paradox games have a much smarter diplomacy system where historical allies are quite friendly towards you. CA should study it.

His loss of income had nothing to do with "backstabbing AI" - it was the AI appropriately blockading enemy ports and then DOWing the player when he became weaker because of it. I would have done the same in the AI's position. Nice job there CA.

**Destin Faroda** · April 26, 2014, 03:46 PM

In reality, Satsuma, Tosa and Choshu were cooperating as all of them had lost quite some power and status for siding against Tokugawa at the battle of Sekigahara. These desperate factions should be very friendly towards each other, but TW games have never been known to encourage cooperation between nations with similar interests. After all, it is called "Total War".

**gyabo** · April 26, 2014, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by tonmai2541

after I've finished with my last problem and start to play again, the MOST HORRIBLE, TERRIFIC INCIDENT YOU CAN NEVER IMAGINE HAPPENDED !!!

I was playing as the choshu with more than 14000koku flowing in(darthmod) I've just defeated a whole stack of traditional army attacking at me then it was my tern... just as I was smiling for my success I notice one thing: my income went to -9000 for the most stupid reason possible; almost, if not all, of my trade partner were getting there port ****ed up by their shogunate enemy and I could do nothing to stop them since I'm already at war with two big guys so I have to delete one of my stack painfully to counter it. Not long after that, the whole shogunate alliance declare war upon me while I am still at -8000 at turn and fighting against other imperialist faction. I guess it's time to take a break from this game now...

Satsuma, marugame, tanegashima, tosa, and the likes, SHAMEFUL DISPLAY TO YOU ALL

My suggestion try Radious Mod!!! It will make diplomacy quite easier except if you are trying to be a republic. Also have you check your Navy upkeep and your artillery upkeep. Some advance ship and artillery have higher upkeep even in vanilla.

**Carl Jung was right** · April 27, 2014, 02:20 AM

I had this happen a lot in my FoTS campaigns. A single

boat sneaks past my lines and blockades my main port, utterly ruining my economy. Then I have to wheel over my main fleet from the other side of the map in order to play cat and mouse with the noisy yacht while my shores are wide open to enemy naval invasion. Technically it's an oversight of mine by not keeping small hunting flotillas everywhere, at all times ready to intercept raiders, but it IS extremely annoying how a single rickety Chiyogata boat can stop the entire shipping traffic, as good as a fleet of aircraft carriers. All in all, FOTS has a lot of these rageworthy moments, despite being better polished overall than Shogun 2.

**wealthmonger** · April 27, 2014, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by tonmai2541

after I've finished with my last problem and start to play again, the MOST HORRIBLE, TERRIFIC INCIDENT YOU CAN NEVER IMAGINE HAPPENDED !!!

I was playing as the choshu with more than 14000koku flowing in(darthmod) I've just defeated a whole stack of traditional army attacking at me then it was my tern... just as I was smiling for my success I notice one thing: my income went to -9000 for the most stupid reason possible; almost, if not all, of my trade partner were getting there port ****ed up by their shogunate enemy and I could do nothing to stop them since I'm already at war with two big guys so I have to delete one of my stack painfully to counter it. Not long after that, the whole shogunate alliance declare war upon me while I am still at -8000 at turn and fighting against other imperialist faction. I guess it's time to take a break from this game now...

Satsuma, marugame, tanegashima, tosa, and the likes, SHAMEFUL DISPLAY TO YOU ALL

Keep a reserve in your treasury, help your trade partners, build economic buildings to cover expenses so that trade is just extra income. Imperials turning on you does happen perhaps to much but most will stay loyal if your a good friend to them. Mainly Satsuma that I don't trust.

Turn 72, staying small and helping out the imperials
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...72E6A330146D9/

**tonmai2541** · April 27, 2014, 11:55 AM

I think the problem is that there aren't enough option for diplomacy. There should be some more option like 'hey, don't attack my trade partner or I will hit you.' or 'hey, I am not happy with your war, stop it.' would be nice if there are mods like this.

**tonmai2541** · April 27, 2014, 12:04 PM

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...72E6A330146D9/

how did you do that !!! I'm a very aggressive player though--kill everyone who stand in my way to edo imperial or shogunate alike, always go republic--can't live without expansion for more than 1 years