Some, not all, and its distasteful to completely ignore the Holocaust and Wehrmacht war crimes and focus on the much smaller and less severe Soviet ones in a context of comparing the two against each other.
If I'm a serial killer and you're a date rapist I'm not saying you should get off the hook, but what I did shouldn't be ignored nor should what you did be exaggerated to the point of absurdity.
If I'm doing a game about the Pacific theater I'm not going to include US war crimes into the equation unless I clearly show what was going on in China. Perspective is everything.
Ultimately that sort of thing has no place in a game which is set in the real world while witnesses to those events still draw breath. It's not Grand Theft Auto where the point is to play in the role of a fictional person doing bad things to fictional people in a fictional setting.
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When did the red army burn their own civilians alive in their homes?
That's not how scorched earth works. Defeats the purpose.
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Unfortunately it did happen; Antony Beevor, in his latest work "The Second World War", mentions that special order was given to destroy every building that German could be used when German launched its final push towards Moscow at October. The rapid German advance caused a general panic among Red Army, hence many buildings were destroyed without checking any civilian inside, resulted several buildings were destroyed when civilians were inside and killed the civilians.
There were certainly terrible atrocities committed by the Red Army as it swept across Europe. Stalin didn't have extermination camps like the SS, but he did have the Gulags where people were still worked to death, even if they were not gassed or shot. The purge of the Red Army saw about 80,000 line officers executed, and to save bullets they had some officers line up, put their heads on a chopping block where their skulls were smashed in with sledge hammers.
The systematic and clinical way that the Third Reich went about exterminating the people they considered undesirable is a horror not before seen in the world, and not since. No one had ever before put together industrial line murder, and this horrified the world and still does. The atrocities committed by the allies were largely papered over, because they won. If the Axis had won, we'd be all talking about that evil Truman and how he was prepared to use nuclear weapons on civilians.
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Several buildings of what? Tens of thousands?
It's the context. Accidents like that happen when millions of invaders are coming to annihilate you. You don't need to put that in a video game.
I mean I don't think it would be reasonable to show Germans crucifying Allied soldiers in a WW1 game. That didn't happen.
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of the germans won,we would be having the same talk about the Allies who bombarded Dresden to the ground,or the communist atrocities,or the Holomodor done by mostly jewish communists.
Instead we just talk about the SS,the Holocaust and how lucky we are the Russians and Americans came and saved us from the "horrors" of the 3 rd Reich.
They didn t save me,I m white,why should I have been afraid of them ?
lol, troll......
But seriously, what the Nazis did was bad, what the Vikings did was bad, what the Mongols did was bad, hell, what Alexander the Great did was bad, I think the underlying difference is that sadly there are still nazis/skinheads around today, as opposed to anything like the Mongol Empire which is long gone......Nazism as an ethos needs to die, it is heavily rooted in pure hate and doesnt do anything good for the world.
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There's been some new scholarly research to suggest the Nazis may have killed one or two white people. As Romania threw in her lot with the Nazis and participated in atrocities, you may well have been safe.
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No you're right, the Slavs passed through into the Balkans without violating the future borders of Romania.
In any case, as Markas pointed out, Romanians allied themselves with the Nazis and participated in the atrocities to a large extent with them, so perhaps Romanians would have been left alone to kill Jews by themselves.
As long as it did happen developer has the freedom to put it in game or not; at least Relic portray the event correctly as "accident" - there were worse cases such as NKVD executing possible future German "collaborators" before Red Army retreated from that region (irony enough NKVD activity only became a bit more sane when Stalin personally told Beria "stop this nonsense").
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