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    @Chesser Thus far, I'm liking it. All those minor battles work out, since the Mexicans really were losing in the early stages of the war as they did historically; it takes the arrival of Emperor Agustin (since Mexico never dropped the First Empire) marching in with Santa Anna and 7k dudes to turn the tide and start the buildup to the Alamo. And once Agustin leaves Santa Anna in charge he promptly runs into San Jacinto anyway, so Texas got its independence on schedule, the big difference is that as of 1845 Santa Anna will no longer be alive to make the Mex-Am War a walkover for you guys - he's been summarily executed by Agustin (who rightly figures that losing Santa Anna's home state is better than having him alive to screw up Mexico even more in the future) for being an incompetent traitor one too many times I'll leave you & Agg to work the finer details out between yourselves - but the one thing I have to take issue with is Jake Thompson's support of Agg and the Unionists. As the Mirabeau Lamar of WEF Texas he's the default leader of the Texan Nationalists, who have to at least want to keep Texas an independent state; the Indian hate is somewhat optional (even if Thompson is personally in favor of good relations with the Indians, unlike the real Lamar, members of his faction won't be and he'll have to control them somehow), but not wanting to join the Union - being the entire point to the Nationalist name - is not.

    @Perry No problems with your writeup so far here. The real Polk evidently tried hard to portray himself as Jackson's spiritual successor, so Wallace doing the same with 'Thompsonian democracy' would be a neat historical tie-in. And regarding Thompsonian democracy - I don't recall whether Matthew Thompson came from a poor background like Jackson himself or if he came from bourgeois/upper-class origins, but if it's the latter that's still fine, this wouldn't be the first time a rich guy portrayed himself as a friend to the working masses (whether out of genuine conviction or just to suck up votes) and if William Henry Harrison could become President by portraying himself as Mr. 'I was born in a log cabin & guzzle hard cider every day' while actually being a wealthy planter born to a family of wealthy planters, I see no reason Thompson can't do the same haha.

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    Support Braxford and Eggers for their respective positions. Withdraw Rondelle from the WHH position, please.

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    For Jake Thompson Id be willing to be a little more lenient, with what he supports and opposes, I'd be ok with Texas staying independent, but since Santa Anna is dead, the Mex-American war will put an even worse strain upon the country. I'd probably want for the Texans to keep their independence, but for there to be a strong system of alliance with the US. We will still need military support from somewhere. As I said i'm thinking of a little more Rusk than Lamar. I want to steer in the Democrats, but also be able to be flexible to meet the nations need. I'd still like for him to be neutral on Indian relations so long as they are peaceful, Texas is a big state and if the Indians can keep to themselves and not attack our settlers I say let them be and not stir up a hornets nest. He's also for a quick and decisive action against mexico; the sooner that we get what is rightfully our the better. I don't want to engage in a long drawn out border war. We need to make the Mexicans back down as soon as possible.

    Barry: Matthew Thompson was born to Robert Thompson, a soldier of the 7 years’ war. At the end of the war, Robert decided to leave his past and a turmoiled Europe behind him, as such; he sold all his property and fled for hoping for new life in the Americas. In his trip towards the American colonies he would fall for a lovely Virginian woman, a teacher and would be wife, Rebecca Daughtry, with thoughts and dreams that would be influential in Roberts's life. He would serve with honor in the Revolutionary war and earn a battlefield commission. This new position would allow his son to rise to prominence. Matthew himself was born in July of 1762; he didn’t take part of the war of independence till late 1778, when he joined as a regular. He was raised under a strict military father; his military upbringing makes his ideas collide at times.

    His views (open to changes )
    Taxation: Preferably low, though acknowledges there will be times it must go up.
    Military: There should be a small standing army, however it's numbers should not be so large as to put a hindrance upon the federal budget also a successful nation can’t defend itself without militia, though we must always have reserves. The majority of this nations national Defense should come from the states.
    The Economy & Trade: Anything that gears the US towards the future, free market should be allowed
    Foreign Policy: When it suits us we must act, otherwise our business is our own.
    Immigration: Limited to people who have some skill or money to bring to the united states, we don't want a bunch of freeloaders.
    National Bank: A leach on the fabric of democracy that should be removed with the utmost urgency.
    Slavery: I will support whatever I believe can make this country better, a black man can be work as good as a white man in the right situation so i will not limit myself to trivialities such as skin color, so long as we benefit from it. Because of this I do not contest its use, especially in the southern states where it is quite profitable. So long as slaves make us money they stay; without this grand institution our southern states would suffer, something that is to be prevented whenever possible.
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    The next segment of the timeline, 1837-40:

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    1837: Michigan becomes a state.

    An American boat is turned away from Japanese ports with cannon fire while trying to return survivors of a shipwreck off of the Chinese coast.

    Owen Abbey, an abolitionist preacher then living in Missouri, is lynched by a pro-slavery mob that went on to burn down his home & printing press. Northerners are outraged at his murder, and he becomes a martyr for the fast-swelling abolitionist movement.

    The death of the Reverend Abbey

    Two highly destructive rebellions break out in Lower & Upper Canada, both agitating for an independent Canada and both backed by several hundred American sympathizers. The British fell upon these rebels like the hammer of God, declaring martial law before sending in the troops, and ironically caused more damage in their reprisals than the rebels ever did prior to their suppression. The Lower Canadian rebellion, which was widely supported by all sectors of the majority French-Canadian populace, drew an especially harsh response up to and including future attempts by the new British military government to assimilate French-Canadians into Anglo-Canadian society, fueling popular resentment.

    In Mexico, the 'Santa Anna Rebellion' (where the state of Veracruz revolted against Emperor Agustin's authority following his summary execution of General Santa Anna) reaches its climax when the city of Veracruz, defended by 4,000 militiamen and some 40 guns, is besieged by 9,000 soldiers of the Imperial Mexican Army backed by 60 cannons and the entire Mexican fleet under Agustin's personal command. Governor Anastasio Carranza swore to fight to the last man 'in memory of our martyred Santa Anna', reportedly leading the Emperor to shake his head and rhetorically ask his command staff "Is Veracruz truly so willing to burn for such a serpent?"

    In Argentina, Juan Lavalle's Unitarians score their first news-worthy victory over the armies of Juan Manuel de Rosas (nominally still the 'Federalists', but increasingly called 'Rosistas' as it became clear even to them that Rosas had no interest in giving up his absolute power under a federal system) near Salta, where an all-cavalry thousand-strong army under Charles-Napoleon Bonaparte stopped a Federalist force three times their own size from encircling their positions to the south. Bonaparte became especially notable for putting the skills he learned as a Brazilian cavalry officer to use in training his gauchos (Argentine cowboys) for the last three years in the valleys west of Salta, and it paid off massively in this engagement; the Unitarians easily drove back the Rosista cavalry and rode rings around their infantry, kept them off-balance with hit-and-run attacks concentrated at the weakest points in the Federalist lines until they retreated, and ended up capturing their entire artillery train. For this glorious victory, Bonaparte was made a full general in the Unitarian army by a grateful Lavalle.

    1838: In response to ongoing violence between the Mormon community (which moved to avoid persecution in NY & IL) and non-Mormon Missourians, Missouri Governor Oliver Armistead issues an extermination order against the Latter-Day Saints. When this unsurprisingly results in the slaughter of ~20 Mormon men, women and children, the Mormon community began to pack their bags and leave for Illinois, and the property they left behind in Missouri is swiftly confiscated and redistributed to the envious locals.

    The infamous 'Mormon extermination order' issued by Armistead, 1838

    The year-long Siege of Veracruz comes to an end when Mexican Imperialists storm the city head-on, burning down entire districts and killing over a thousand civilians as they battled the insurgents street to street, home to home. In the chaos, a French-owned pastry shop was leveled by one side's artillery, and though they could not confirm that it was the fault of the Imperialists, the French government called upon Emperor Agustin to cough up 600,000 pesos in reparations. Knowing that French intervention could severely mess up his plans, and having already seen Louis XVII's willingness to launch military actions with little to no provocation in Spain and Portugal, the Emperor agreed - and to provide the lion's share of the indemnity he would confiscate the entirety of Veracruz's state treasury on top of snapping up a third of all the loot his troops gathered from the city, all as punishment for their rebellion, thereby leaving the once prosperous port a destitute ruin for at least another 20 years. Well, at least Mexico avoided a ruinous war with France...

    Charles-Napoleon Bonaparte makes a risky crossing of the Sierras de Cordoba/Sierras Grande with his cavalry in January before embarking on an extensive raid into the central Argentine provinces of Cordoba (occupied by the Federalists since the defeat of General Jose Maria Paz in 1835) and Santa Fe. Living off the land, destroying infrastructure and evading large Rosista armies with the help of Unitarian agents & sympathizers, he and his gauchos defeated smaller garrisons and/or Rosista cavalry battalions sent to collect their heads at Tuclame, Ascochinga (skirting the fortified state capital of Cordoba itself, no less), Morteros (where they defeated three uncoordinated Rosista detachments sent to pursue them one by one in the span of two days), near Tostado (where they killed almost a thousand Federalist recruits in a surprise attack on their boot camp), and finally Ceres before capturing and holding the city of Santa Fe itself for three days. After securing a ransom of 300,000 pesos from the state governor for the safe release of his family, Bonaparte promptly vacated Santa Fe in the face of an approaching 6,000-man Federalist army under General Facundo Quiroga and crossed not back west, but over the Parana River to the east to attack Rosas himself while he relaxed on his estanchia (large ranch) north of Buenos Aires. The legendary 'Night Attack' of July 19th resulted in all but two of Rosas' guards being killed, his manorial estate being plundered & burned down by the ecstatic gauchos, and the tyrant himself forced to flee in his nightclothes; had Bonaparte actually killed or captured Rosas, as he came within inches of doing, the war would have been won for Lavalle right then and there.

    In any case, apparently not content with risking a brutal death 'merely' half a dozen times, Bonaparte crossed the Parana again to the south - within sight of Buenos Aires' outer forts, no less - and staged his long retreat west across south-central Argentina to San Luis, on the Unitarian side of the Sierras Grande. Rosista cavalry detachments were sent from Buenos Aires to pursue him, but one was ambushed and routed early on at Junin (where most of their casualties came from drowning in the Rio Salado, not Unitarian bullets) and the second & third attempted to work with Quiroga's army to trap Bonaparte in Santa Fe, only to be outwitted at Olaeta where the gauchos blew up their ammunition stores to mislead the Rosistas. Bonaparte returned to a hero's welcome in San Luis on December 2nd, and his raid - in which over a third of his 1,100 men were lost, but took down some 2,000 Federalists and stole/destroyed millions of pesos' worth in federal property - became legendary. When a shocked but overjoyed Lavalle asked him what he was thinking when he embarked on such a seemingly suicidal mission in the middle of celebrations, Bonaparte jokingly responded, "Je suppose que les fantômes de mon père et mon frère m'ont possédant de ces douze derniers mois." (I suppose the ghosts of my father and brother have been possessing me for these last twelve months)

    Juan Pablo Dali: 'Bonaparte's Ride', 1842

    In response to 'Bonaparte's Ride', Juan Manuel de Rosas redoubled his repressive policies. Unitarian spies and sympathizers behind the lines had proven instrumental in permitting Bonaparte to get as far as he did, pointing his men in the right direction and providing them with supplies or outright saddling up to join his ranks while misdirecting the pursuing Federalists; the Popular Restorer Society, nominally a political group composed of Rosas's supporters, was transformed into his secret police complete with its own paramilitary death squads (the so-called mazorqueros, selected from the cruelest and most loyal elements of the regular army) with orders to ride into the countryside and torture or summarily execute anyone who they even suspect to be a Unitarian agent. In addition, he intensified his cult of personality - this meant spinning the Night Attack from an embarassing defeat into a harrowing raid that he escaped with literal divine intervention, forcing all men to wear sideburns and mustaches in his style, ordering his subjects to wear red (the color of the Federalist Party) everywhere and even ordering churches to venerate his portrait on their altars; when the Jesuit Order staunchly refused, he had them thrown out of the country. Most critically, Rosas invited Louis XVII to intervene in his favor, pointing out that Bonaparte was working with the Unitarians and that they would probably fund his return to France if they triumphed; Louis XVII agreed, and on top of sending BTS agents to help train the SPR and selling arms at below market value through private intermediaries controlled by his allies (so as to avoid British suspicion) he also secretly deployed military advisers and elements of the French Foreign Legion, disguised as civilians or independent mercenaries, in tiny 100-man detachments spread out over multiple civilian chartered vessels starting on New Year's Eve this year.

    Westminster rejects the Durham Report suggesting the creation of a united 'Province of Canada' from Lower & Upper Canada with responsible government, outraging both Anglo- and Franco-Canadians. A riot breaks out in Montreal as Canadian opinion of British rule falls sharply, no doubt to the joy of many Americans.

    1839: The Peru-Bolivian Confederation decisively defeats Chile in the Battle of Yungay, guaranteeing its survival. Although Rosas had been unable to intervene against Peru-Bolivia due to Lavalle's and Bonaparte's successes last year and the year before that, he had made statements supporting Chile in its war against the Confederation, and as a result Supreme Protector Andres de Santa Cruz declared his support for the Unitarians - starting with generous shipments of war-surplus supplies across their border.

    Britain launches into an Opium War against China to defend their merchants' right to...keep selling opium and thus fuel the crippling addiction of Chinese peasants everywhere.

    With the help of the French Foreign Legion and the 'military advisor' 'Jean de Pommeroux' (totally not a disgraced military commander whom Louis XVII had offered a shot at redemption if he would but go to Argentina in the disguise of a mercenary officer, how could you possibly think that), the Federalist Army began pushing back the Unitarians, who had taken advantage of the chaos created by Bonaparte's Ride to push as far as the fortifications of Cordoba, to the Sierras Grande starting in May. In June, Federalist forces under General Quiroga smashed through Unitarian defenses in the mountains and laid siege to San Luis for three months until they were forced to retreat to avoid a surprise Unitarian encirclement; Charles-Napoleon again played a major role here, launching a decisive raid into the Federalist camp in late August and securing documents that proved exactly where these mysterious, seemingly invincible new Federalist 'mercenaries' were coming from and who was really giving them their orders. Lavalle immediately made the documents public, and Britain was so incensed that the Winter King was interfering in Latin America that they sent several squadrons to blockade Buenos Aires. Unable to send any more troops or supplies to Rosas, who was also cut off from international trade entirely as a result, and unwilling to go to war with Britain over Argentina Louis XVII grudgingly relented and ordered the withdrawal of high-ranking 'mercenary advisers' and the Legion's ~500 men on the ground in October, though he secretly continued to keep junior totally-not-French-officers such as Captain Thierry Watteau, a 29-year-old decorated veteran of the Algerian War whose ability to produce miraculous victories in the face of all logic led to him being nicknamed the 'Disaster Artist', in Rosas' service along with the BTS agents and to fund blockade runners based out of Brazil to keep smuggling supplies into Buenos Aires.

    Around this time Louis XVII also reached an agreement with Uruguayan President Manuel Oribe to harbor blockade runners in Montevideo, driving Britain to sponsor a coup by Oribe's rival Fructuoso Rivera and plunging that country into civil war. Although Oribe's faction, the conservative Blancos (Whites) enjoyed support from Argentina & France and quickly seized control of the Uruguayan countryside, Rivera's liberal Colorados (Reds) continued to control the capital with British backing and were recognized as the legitimate government of Uruguay by Lavalle's Unitarians in Argentina.

    An illustration of Montevideo's defenders, the 'Colorados'

    1840: X9 wins a second term in this year's presidential election, banking on not just the immigrant-black alliance but also promises of expansion to carry the day; when it was pointed out that the Federalists were traditionally the pro-peace party, Federalist propagandists responded that in no way did that preclude peaceful expansion - after all, the Louisiana Purchase was done under a Federalist Presidency. Many wondered whether they would try to purchase northern Mexico or Canada, though to be sure an attempt of his to purchase the latter was rejected out of hand by the British earlier this year.

    In Indiana, a long-time battleground state torn between the Democratic and Whig Parties, Whig candidate Benjamin Pugh - an eccentric abolitionist and logger who had immigrated to the state many years earlier - manages to take a page from the Federalist Party's books and weld together an alliance of immigrant workers, middle- and upper-class abolitionists, and the state's Maroon community (granted full franchise by Indiana's last Whig Governor, Noah Sables in mid-1837), the largest in the Midwestern states in fact. His Democratic opponent, established landowner and notoriously corrupt incumbent Governor Alexander Dunning, panicked and kickstarted a campaign lambasting him as the 'candidate of miscegenation' whose 'misrule' would result in Indiana transforming into a 'state of mules' (mixed-race children). When even this proved only partially successful in unraveling Pugh's coalition, Dunning resorted to hiring militiamen to physically stop blacks from voting, stuff the ballot boxes and torch some abolitionist presses to intimidate that crowd as well, and thus he won a lopsided victory in October. Pugh, whose brother was killed by Dunning's thugs while defending his printing press, swore revenge come the next gubernatorial elections in 1843.

    Britain, rightly suspecting the French of not having totally given up on Rosas yet, begins supplying the Argentine Unitarians through overland routes and intermediaries in Peru-Bolivia & Chile. With British arms and supplies, Lavalle and Bonaparte are able to not only smash through Rosista defenses in the Sierras Grande, but also sustain their offensive as far as the fortifications of Cordoba. General Quiroga is captured by Bonaparte's cavalry on the road to Cordoba and is later executed by Lavalle before the year's end, dealing a heavy blow to the Rosas regime.

    Charles-Napoleon Bonaparte, AKA 'Napoleon III', as a full General in the Unitarian Army (and after shaving the glorious beard he grew during his legendary 1838 Ride), c. 1840

    EDIT: Whoa, didn't see your post there while writing this up Chesser I'll reply to you later today.
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    For Jake Thompson Id be willing to be a little more lenient, with what he supports and opposes, I'd be ok with Texas staying independent, but since Santa Anna is dead, the Mex-American war will put an even worse strain upon the country. I'd probably want for the Texans to keep their independence, but for there to be a strong system of alliance with the US. We will still need military support from somewhere. As I said i'm thinking of a little more Rusk than Lamar. I want to steer in the Democrats, but also be able to be flexible to meet the nations need. I'd still like for him to be neutral on Indian relations, and against war with Mexico unless absolutely necessary.

    Barry: Matthew Thompson was born to Robert Thompson, a soldier of the 7 years’ war. At the end of the war, Robert decided to leave his past and a turmoiled Europe behind him, as such; he sold all his property and fled for hoping for new life in the Americas. In his trip towards the American colonies he would fall for a lovely Virginian woman, a teacher and would be wife, Rebecca Daughtry, with thoughts and dreams that would be influential in Roberts's life. He would serve with honor in the Revolutionary war and earn a battlefield commission. This new position would allow his son to rise to prominence. Matthew himself was born in July of 1762; he didn’t take part of the war of independence till late 1778, when he joined as a regular. He was raised under a strict military father; his military upbringing makes his ideas collide at times.

    His views (open to changes )
    Taxation: Preferably low, though acknowledges there will be times it must go up.
    Military: There should be a small standing army, however it's numbers should not be so large as to put a hindrance upon the federal budget also a successful nation can’t defend itself without militia, though we must always have reserves. The majority of this nations national Defense should come from the states.
    The Economy & Trade: Anything that gears the US towards the future, free market should be allowed and commit to industrialization.
    Foreign Policy: When it suits us we must act, otherwise our business is our own.
    Immigration: All immigrants should be welcome, why deprive ourselves from workers to possibly the greatest minds of the world? If they want to be American, let them!
    National Bank: necessary at times. but should not be allowed too much power.
    Slavery: I will support whatever I believe can make this country better, a black man can be work as good as a white man in the right situation so i will not limit myself to trivialities such as skin color, so long as we benefit from it. Because of this I do not contest its use, especially in the southern states where it is quite profitable.
    Well the big thing about the Nationalist Faction in Texas is that they support the continued independence of Texas, so as long as Jake Thompson also does he's green in that regard.

    Preferring neutrality towards the Indians is alright because unlike support for union with the USA, it's not antithetical to the Nationalist position - an independent Texas that's friends with Indians is not inconceivable after all - but since the Eggerses are a family with a long tradition of cooperating with Indians, I think it's only natural for more anti-Indian elements to gravitate towards the Nationalist camp. You wouldn't have to work with them, but since their votes still matter and the pro-Indian vote would already mostly go to Eggers you can't openly work against them either (at most, you can probably get away with restraining them from doing something really vile, but making them all go sit in a corner and signing favorable treaties with Indians is a no-go) unless Thompson is so pro-Indian/anti-war-with-Indians that he's willing to risk political suicide in the name of his principles.

    As for opposing war with Mexico, fair enough, but since Texas is claiming lots of territory that's still under Mexican authority opposing a war to make your claims on those territories more than just fancy bits of paper will leave only the Indian lands as Texan settlers' avenue of expansion, making it even harder for Thompson to resist the demands of the anti-Indian faction. On the other hand, pro-Mexican War adherents will probably gravitate towards Eggers' camp instead, precisely so they can avoid war with Indians by taking out their aggression & desire for lands on the Mexicans instead.

    As for Matt Thompson's views...

    Taxation: OK.
    Military: Likewise.
    Econ & trade: The free trade thing will jive with the Jacksonian constituency (small farmers & large landowners/planters alike) since they wanted to be able to sell their goods without high tariffs getting in the way, but industrialization? That's a no-go when appealing to a heavily agricultural base whose idea of utopia is still the Jeffersonian (I guess ITL Eggersite?) agrarian dream. That, and the industrialist faction strongest in the Whig/Federalist-dominated Northeast (and increasingly, the Midwest) heavily favored high tariffs anyway, which they believed were necessary to safeguard American industries from foreign competition until they became strong enough to go head to head with Britain, France etc. economically.
    Foreign policy: OK.
    Immigration: Ehh...historically the Democrats were able to team up with immigrants by playing on their fear of competition with free black labor and thus secure a lock on the big cities, but ITL the big-city-based Federalists have survived to weld blacks and immigrants into an alliance with progressive rhetoric and pseudo-welfare (through political machines) instead, so it stands to reason that nativists will flock to the Democrats instead. A pro-immigrant Jackson could stand to lose support from WASP farmers and planters who don't want immigrants 'polluting the nation with their Popery and foreign ways' and free blacks running around 'to knock up white women and steal our jobs/lands'. He doesn't have to outright buy into their racist rhetoric if you don't want him to, but he would have to find some other excuse to at least control immigration (like requiring people to live in the States for 20 years before they can even be considered for citizenship or something) to appease them.
    National Bank: Definitely has to be reversed if Thompson is to become an acceptable Jackson. As far as his supporters were concerned, the Bank was an evil tool of the Northeastern plutocracy that directly stood in the way of popular democracy.
    Slavery: Fair enough. Like the case with immigration, slaveholders/supporters of slavery make up such a huge part of the Democratic base that although Thompson doesn't have to become a card-carrying racist lunatic ala Edmund Ruffin, he has to at least support the continued existence of slavery and its expansion into Western territories if he wants to keep their support.

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    barry iv'e made a few changes. anything else that i could add that would help to build his character and draw in more support from the democrats and neutrals.

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    Something new for y'all this time - not a timeline extension, but an example of one of the Governors and major families you'll be encountering in-game. It will be possible to marry into them to secure an alliance, and you can of course have your family interact with them in the past (I'll either record it in the timeline or let you guys record it in your own write-up of your character's family).

    Saker of Massachusetts


    Like their predecessors and maternal ancestors the Dyers, the Sakers are a 'parvenu' family that came from humble origins but skyrocketed in social standing during and after the American Revolution. The family's first notable patriarch, George Saker (1741-1821) came from slightly higher origins than his contemporaries the Dyer twins, having been a fairly successful merchant who inherited his shipping business from his father (also a successful merchant) before becoming the Continental Congress's Commissioner to Vermont during the Revolutionary War and, after moving to Massachusetts & ingratiating himself with then-Governor Charles Dyer, long-time Senator from the Bay State. His two sons Matthew (1777-1841) and Robert (1782-1812) would go on to play prominent roles in the War of 1812, roles which they would have loved to avoid if they had the chance - the elder brother, Matthew was best known for being the decidedly unhappy second-in-command to Brigadier-General Sydney S. Wilson, the Georgian-born commander of the ill-fated Army of Maine, and ended up limping home with the battered remains of that formation after either treacherously abandoning his boss to British arms or wisely withdrawing from a dreadful situation before it got any worse, depending on who you ask; and the younger son, Robert went into the then-paltry US Navy starting in 1800 and ended up in command of a gunboat, the USS Columbia, which capsized and went down with all hands (Robert included) when it was rammed by the HMS Shannon during the War of 1812. Needless to say, the death of one son and the dishonorable discharge of the other after they committed to fighting the War of 1812 out of patriotism - despite it being a war pushed for by the West and South - only drove Old Man George to despise these other regions of the country and to oppose the war all the more fiercely, and his efforts eventually succeeded when the Federalist who replaced Jack Eggers reached a peace treaty with the British in 1813.

    As Robert died without any surviving children (his only son, George Saker II, had died of pneumonia just shy of his third birthday the year before) it fell to Matthew to perpetuate the Saker line and their political power - something he succeeded at quite spectacularly. On the first point, he had five children, all of whom married and had children of their own; suffice to say that the Saker line appears quite secure as of 1845. On the other, after years of exhaustive lobbying he finally got himself redeemed in the eyes of the US military and was restored to his former rank of Colonel in 1821, only to resign a year later to run for Governor of Massachusetts; he would hold that office for the rest of his life. Of his children, his first three children followed him into politics: Simon Saker began to work closely with the Federalist Party from the age of 16 & married into the powerful Dana family (one of the Boston Brahmins) before climbing to Mayor of Boston in 1836, Thomas Saker won his first term in the US Senate in 1842 after a successful legal career that included getting Massachusetts' anti-miscegenation laws struck down in 1837, and Magdalene Saker married a scion of the Lowell family (another Boston Brahmin dynasty) to secure their alliance with her father. Matthew's younger children had less expected of them, and promptly took advantage of their freedom - his third son Marcus became a man of science, his fourth son Jude went into the military, and his fifth son Lucas became a Universalist preacher.

    Since Matthew Saker's death in 1841, Simon quickly stepped up to fill in his father's empty seat and handily won that year's special gubernatorial election. At present, the Sakers still have a iron grip on state politics in Massachusetts, built through alliances with other powerful families within the state and a solid base in the blacks, immigrant workers and liberals of the Bay State whose votes they can be assured of. There's little reason to suspect that they, one of the most Federalist families in the most Federalist of states, have reason to fall from grace anytime soon.

    The Sakers have traditionally been one of America's more powerful progressive voices - as befits the most powerful dynasty from Massachusetts, an epicenter of American progressivism - but in a much more aggressive manner than the Dyers who came before them. They are at the forefront of the abolitionist movement, cutting generous checks for the American Anti-Slavery Society and various abolitionist presses all over the country, and Matthew Saker was also a prominent defender of Irish immigrants starting with his harsh reaction to the Ursuline Convent Riots of 1834. That said, though the Sakers' aims might be noble, their methods are often...less so. Besides all the corruption one would expect from a powerful political family (operating extensive political machines, buying votes & supporters, digging up dirt on their enemies) the duality of the Saker family can best be seen in their approach to running their commercial empire, a merger of George Saker's built-up business and that of the Dyers, where they have been steadily trying to reduce their dependence on Southern (slave-picked) cotton by gradually buying more and more Indian, Egyptian and Algerian cotton - and sabotaging the mills and supply stocks of any rival that doesn't do the same within the Bay State's borders, so that said rivals cannot hope to undercut them with cheaper Southern cotton. At the least though, nobody can claim that they don't put their money where their mouth is, rather literally in this case (other businesses outside of Massachusetts have fewer concerns about buying up Southern cotton, even if their owners profess to be abolitionists). Needless to say, their enemies believe they're waging an economic and ideological war against the South, and the Sakers themselves will never confirm or deny this allegation when it is thrust in their face.

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    Governor Simon Saker, MA


    Name:
    Simon Saker
    Date of Birth: February 18th, 1805 (age 40)
    Ethnicity: Yankee
    Religion: Universalist (Liberal Christian)
    Occupation: Business Tycoon
    Position: Governor
    Home State: Massachusetts
    Allegiance: USA
    Faction: Federalist Party

    Personality: Aloof and stoic, Simon Saker is a man of few words (outside of campaign season or wherever he needs to start grandstanding, anyway) - but when he speaks, everyone listens. Maybe it's because he cuts an intimidating figure, standing at 6'4" with sharp features and sharper steel-grey eyes that rarely leave their perpetual mild scowl, and has the booming voice one would expect to go with it. Or maybe it's because whenever he speaks, whatever he has to say is immediately relevant to the matter at hand, whether it's someone asking him what he would like for lunch or the future of slavery. He only gets really wordy either during election season or when lambasting slavery, which he (like his father and grandfather) is 110% convinced is a moral blight eating away at the soul of America; as far as he is concerned, the use of any weapon is justifiable when it comes to dealing with slavers, and most notoriously he failed to condemn Gabriel Boxley after the man's slave rebellion ended in bloody failure back in 1831. Notably, he is also not content with merely ending slavery, but like a fast-increasing number of his fellow Bay Staters is also out to secure civil rights for the black man once he is freed. In a few words, he can be considered a true zealot - cool-mannered, disciplined, taciturn and utterly committed to not only doing what he believes is right, but destroying anything he considers wrong. Suffice to say that none can accuse this particular Universalist of being a wishy-washy advocate of everyone holding hands and singing kumbaya, to put it mildly.

    Issues:

    Central Government: Sweeping federal powers, commitment to fight slavery

    Religious relations: Harmonious religious mosaic

    Tariffs: High tariffs

    Slavery: Total, uncompensated abolition

    Immigration: Open immigration

    Military: Strong standing military

    Social welfare: Limited welfare networks are acceptable

    National Bank: The Bank must survive

    Foreign relations: Realpolitik

    Other Sakers
    Simon's family:
    • Augusta Saker (née Dana), b. July 7 1806 (age 39). Simon Saker's wife and every bit as cunning a politician as him, agreed to marry him precisely because she was aware of how much power his family wielded. A handsome woman with dark hair, dark-blue eyes, high cheekbones and a certain grace to her thin frame. Known to be quite courteous - even if she's lobbing veiled insults at her rivals - and not at all above using her looks to manipulate other men into situations her family can take advantage of (though that is getting harder as she ages).
    • Leonidas Saker, b. May 14 1828 (age 17). An intimidating giant of a man, taller than his father and considerably brawnier, known to be capable of astonishing violence when the situation demands it but surprisingly quiet and gentle towards his family and friends. Presently a Lieutenant in the US Army.
    • Themistocles Saker, b. January 15 1831 (age 14). Almost as tall as his father and brother, but slender in build like the former was in his youth and growing to be quite handsome. Has a reputation for telling tall tales of his nonexistent grand adventures (or those of his ancestors for that matter), and otherwise lying to get out of hot water.
    • Parthenope Saker, b. August 29 1835 (age 10). A pretty and outgoing young girl, quite unlike her stoic father and eldest brother. Has a knack for singing.

    Thomas Saker: B. June 16 1808 (age 37). A successful lawyer who graduated from Harvard at age 19 and passed the bar two years later, known for representing chiefly Negroes and Irish immigrants at court, and whose greatest triumph to date is striking down Massachusetts' anti-miscegenation laws back in 1837 (possibly at the private urging of his second-youngest brother Jude). Has become a Senator from Massachusetts in 1842, where like the rest of his kin he's always been quite outspoken on the matter of slavery and civil rights. Tall and lean in build like his brother, but more outgoing and certainly considerably friendlier to those on his side, though he can be bitingly sarcastic (if not outright mean-spirited) to his enemies.
    • Abigail Saker (née Abbott), b. November 1 1811 (age 34). Thomas Saker's wife, whom he married for love rather than power as his elder brother did and who is out of her depth in politics due to her upbringing. A lean, plain-faced woman with dark hair and brown eyes who hails from upper-bourgeois origins, being the daughter of one of the many managers at one of the Sakers' factories.
    • Joseph Saker, b. July 30 1830 (age 15). A lean young man known for being one of Massachusetts' fastest sprinters. Presently hoping to attend the Legionville USMA.
    • Ephraim Saker, b. April 2 1834 (age 11). Short and skinny, but a crack shot with very good eyes for a boy his age.

    Magdalene Saker: B. September 17 1810 (age 35). A beautiful woman with light brown hair, bright blue eyes and a winning smile who looks a few years younger than she truly is, even after giving birth. In truth, a savvy political operator who is good friends with many of Boston's elite ladies and does everything she can to help propel her family to greater heights, having even married Joseph Lowell to seal an informal alliance between his family and hers.

    Marcus Saker: B. 12 January 1813 (age 32). A prominent scientist who is 'good at everything' in his own words (though his Harvard PhD is in biology) and has connections to many other scientists around the world. He is tall, reedy-looking, eccentric (for one, he has to walk through an open door several times before he can comfortably stand in the room) and wears glasses, but behind this unintimidating appearance lies the mind of an arrogant & somewhat unhinged genius. Known to have a bitter rivalry with William P. Simons of North Carolina, a fellow brilliant-but-mad scientist and younger brother to that state's Governor.

    • Renée Saker (née Foucault), b. 15 June 1814 (age 31). Marcus Saker's French-Canadian wife and sister to his friend, Montreal-based physicist Roland Foucault. A short and pretty woman with naturally curly blonde hair, pouty lips and a shapely figure, leading Marcus's own kin to wonder how their puny-looking brother could have ended up with her. Known to be hot-tempered but not incapable of kindness, especially towards children and the lowly.
    • Mabelle Saker, b. December 9 1837 (age 8). A serious and hard-working little girl who has inherited her mother's looks and temperament, and her father's love for science - as well as his poor eyesight.

    Jude Saker: B. 19 March 1815 (age 30). A lean and tough-faced career soldier (currently a Colonel) whose patriotism is doubted by few, being willing to fight for the glory and expansion of the United States even under Southern Presidents he will make no secret of despising. Gregarious, energetic and honest towards both fellow officers and the enlisted, who will describe him as 'lion-hearted' - odd personality choice for a skilled sniper such as himself. Like the rest of his family, he is an outspoken abolitionist, who has notably lobbied hard for the end of anti-miscegenation laws - no doubt because he's one half of a mixed marriage himself.
    • Chloe Saker (née Priss), b. 20 November 1819 (age 26). A black woman and former maid to the Saker family who first met her husband eleven years ago. Was his lover for several years before the end of Massachusetts' anti-miscegenation laws allowed them to marry. Even now she is looked down upon by many of the Bay State's supposedly liberal ladies, but those who are willing to give her a chance find her friendly enough, even if her manners can be a bit rough.
    • Roberta Saker, b. 15 July 1839 (age 6). A mixed-race girl who gets along well with her cousins despite her heritage, though less so with many other children.
    • Arthur Saker, b. 24 May 1841 (age 4). Too young to be notable in any regard beyond his mixed-race heritage.
    • Emily Saker, b. 14 December 1844 (age 1). Too young to be notable in any regard beyond her mixed-race heritage.

    Lucas Saker: B. 20 December 1817 (age 28). A Universalist preacher who wanders the land, preaching a liberal interpretation of the Good Book and abolitionism wherever he goes. Charitable towards those in need and much more easily controlled by his passions than most of his siblings allow themselves to be, yet also self-righteous and zealous in his convictions, something few thought possible of a Universalist. More than happy to fight that which he sees as wrong, but also to offer the hand of redemption to those who truly seek it.
    • Jane Saker (née Gardner), b. 14 July 1819 (age 26). Pale, slender and blessed with long auburn hair and deep blue eyes, it's small wonder this lady still manages to capture the attention of other men even after giving birth twice. Former mistress to a wealthy businessman in New York and mother to one of his children, abandoned a year before she met Lucas Saker. He took her in out of pity but grew to love her, and the two married much to his family's consternation in 1844. Like her black sister-in-law she is looked down on by polite society, though those who know her say she can be quite kind, if timid.
    • John Saker, b. 15 January 1845 (age 0). Too young to be notable in any regard.

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    barry iv'e made a few changes. anything else that i could add that would help to build his character and draw in more support from the democrats and neutrals.
    Well you might want to explain why he's made a political 180 from his stances in 1792 Aside from that, I'd ask you to consider what he'd do in the time of Indian Removal and the Trail of Tears, but first we kinda need people to take up the Presidencies between 1825 and 1837 (2 Democratic terms that can prolly be filled by the same guy, one Whig term).

    On a side note. Aside from lopsided cases like Eggers vs. Richardson in 1805-13, all other presidential positions are still open to contest since this game isn't even set to start until late May or early June, to give guys like MMM (whose Lamberth, being the John Adams of 1792, could conceivably run for the Presidency 1797-1805) or Kip & Dan (who are busy atm) a chance to run as well.

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    The Saker family looks real great Barry I think I will write one for my Braxfords too, on that note do you think a Braxford/Saker marriage would be viable.
    "We all know whatmy brother would do. Robert would gallop up to the gates of Winterfell alone, break them with his warhammer, and ride through the rubble to slay Roose Bolton with his left hand and the Bastard with his right. I am not Robert. But we will march, and we will free Winterfell … or die in the attempt."

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    The Saker family looks real great Barry I think I will write one for my Braxfords too, on that note do you think a Braxford/Saker marriage would be viable.
    Great, if y'all want to write detailed histories for your families like I am hoping to do with the Governors (or at least the ones for major states, 'cause by 1845 we're looking at almost 30 states iirc) then go for it, I'd appreciate the added depth. As for a Braxford/Saker marriage, prolly not in the past if only b/c the Saker family didn't become all that big until fairly recently - there was a possible cadet branch, but it got wiped out by pneumonia + the War of 1812 - and even then there's only one woman out of the present five-strong 'ruling' generation (Simon-Thomas-Magdalene-Marcus-Jude-Lucas). A future marriage is possible with one of this generation's more numerous boys & girls though. At most I could have Magdalene Saker swap out her faceless Lowell husband for a Braxford, but if another player from Mass wants to contest that with you then the floor is open.

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    Will do one for the Rondelles, maybe von Wolfe later.
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    Additionally, Chesser, when I was at the Houston museum in Huntsville the lady there (who I think was really bored, because she gave us an impromptu tour) told me that Lamar basically destroyed Texas's economy with spending and taxes, which led the Texas to re-elect Houston. Since you've stated that your char is going to be pushing for fiscal responsibility, which Eggers is already going for since he's playing Houston, it doesn't quite fit the history. Of course we can change it, but if we're keeping the historical situation of Houston as governor at game start, we have to have a reason for you to be voted out of office, unless we're going to modify the history so that you never were in office but led the opposition.

    Now, I'm not very familiar with the Texas Republic's Constitution, was the VP chosen like the post-12th Amendment USA, or was he elected a la the original US Constitution (as in he's the runner-up)?

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    @Barry What site did you use to make that family tree?


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    @Barry What site did you use to make that family tree?
    None actually, I drew the tree on Paint.Net

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    I'll definitely have to make one of those for the Eggers family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    I'll definitely have to make one of those for the Eggers family.
    As I've said, I'd absolutely welcome players making their own family 'history articles' as I demonstrated above. The more detailed, the better.

    For the family tree, it's really not that hard if you have Paint.Net or some other graphic design program. Just write the various characters' names, dates of birth & dates of death, and connect them to each other with the line tool. That said, I've never been a great artist to say the least, which is why even when it comes to a relatively simple thing like this I've messed up the placing & alignment of some names & lines up there

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    I once knew of a really nice family tree maker, I used it to keep track of chars in WR. Trying to make a "frontiersman CoA", not working so swell.

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    I thought that by this point we had kind of branched off from linear history with the death of Santa Anna and a stronger mexico. I don't want to play a strait lamar. He made some mistakes that even were a little off for his party. I want to play a slightly more responsible and less radical lamar; someone who can reign in not only the democrats, but the neutrals also.

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    I wouldn't say Mexico is that much stronger, all it has is no Santa Anna to mess up the Mexican-American War for them.

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    Alright then. Well, don't get too close to my side, or your party may vote you out. I'll take you in though.

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