Civil war for dummies...

[frenchyvinnie]

Hey everyone!

So, I'm having an unusual request here: I want to start a civil war in my solo campaign!

I've been playing this campaign with Rome for a while now. I'm more than 250 turns into the game, I've already conquered most of the real life roman empire, no other faction really poses a challenge to my empire anymore.
So the truth is, I'm bored.
I've heard that the civil wars in Rome 2 are quite the challenge! But I haven't seen any so far, and I don't really know how to trigger one (it used to be simpler in rome 1).

So how can I screw up my empire so that half my armies rebel and start fighting with the other half?

[Ano2]

Basically you need to decrease your party's influence which is achieved by reducing the gravitas of your own family members. Here is what you need to do:

1) Make the strongest rival family member into a statesman. This will allow him to accumulate +1 gravitas per turn.

2) Give one of your own family members the evil mother-in-law follower. This will decrease gravitas by -5 per turn.

3) Use rival family members to win battles, thus increasing their gravitas.

Once your influence drops below 50-60% it should trigger it. It is however pretty random though, so it may take a while.

[Slaists]

Basically you need to decrease your party's influence which is achieved by reducing the gravitas of your own family members. Here is what you need to do:

2) Give one of your own family members the evil mother-in-law follower. This will decrease gravitas by -5 per turn.

Once your influence drops below 50-60% it should trigger it. It is however pretty random though, so it may take a while.

I think, some character at CA (guess what gender...) has raised an issue with the concept of the evil-mother-in-law: she no longer appears in my campaigns...

[Jokern]

Using politics to gain close to 100% support in the senate is one way to do it, because the other roman families fears that you're becoming too powerful. The other way is to do the opposite and lose tons of senate support as the other families will see you as weak and fall on you like lions on an antilope.

[The Noble Duke Of York]

Or get your influence to plus 85% but the simplest way to do it would be to pick generals from your own faction with each opportunity to do so and get that influence down to around 50% and that will trigger it.

[brandbll]

Hey everyone!

So, I'm having an unusual request here: I want to start a civil war in my solo campaign!

I've been playing this campaign with Rome for a while now. I'm more than 250 turns into the game, I've already conquered most of the real life roman empire, no other faction really poses a challenge to my empire anymore.
So the truth is, I'm bored.
I've heard that the civil wars in Rome 2 are quite the challenge! But I haven't seen any so far, and I don't really know how to trigger one (it used to be simpler in rome 1).

So how can I screw up my empire so that half my armies rebel and start fighting with the other half?

This isn't how Civil Wars work in the game. You keep all your armies and all the different generals from different families. Instead, a bunch of random stacks of armies led by people from the future or an alternate dimension teleport to your capital with many stacks of troops that mimic the same soldiers you have in your own armies. It's more of a clone war than a civil war. So yeah, actually it's not a civil war in any sense of the commonly accepted definition. You're going to have to use your imagination if you want to fight a civil war in Rome II...

[frenchyvinnie]

This isn't how Civil Wars work in the game. You keep all your armies and all the different generals from different families. Instead, a bunch of random stacks of armies led by people from the future or an alternate dimension teleport to your capital with many stacks of troops that mimic the same soldiers you have in your own armies. It's more of a clone war than a civil war. So yeah, actually it's not a civil war in any sense of the commonly accepted definition. You're going to have to use your imagination if you want to fight a civil war in Rome II...

Really? Aw that sucks! So the other two families in the senate will always be there pissing me off by assassinating my characters' grandmothers? I thought the point of the Civil War was to get rid of your enemies (like in Rome 1!!!).

So if I get it right, the civil war in Rome 2 looks more like the Barons' rebellion from the M2TW kingdoms Brittania campaign. Some random dudes appear out of nowhere with full stacks of armies...

And do they really get as many soldiers as I do? Because I currently have 20 full armies plus 5-6 fleets :-/

[krisslanza]

Really? Aw that sucks! So the other two families in the senate will always be there pissing me off by assassinating my characters' grandmothers? I thought the point of the Civil War was to get rid of your enemies (like in Rome 1!!!).

So if I get it right, the civil war in Rome 2 looks more like the Barons' rebellion from the M2TW kingdoms Brittania campaign. Some random dudes appear out of nowhere with full stacks of armies...

And do they really get as many soldiers as I do? Because I currently have 20 full armies plus 5-6 fleets :-/

They get the maximum number of armies you can raise. I don't think it looks at your fleets at all.
It doesn't care how many you have, just how many you can have.

[HippieGunner34]

They get the maximum number of armies you can raise. I don't think it looks at your fleets at all.
It doesn't care how many you have, just how many you can have.

Oh it looks at your max fleet potential as well...http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=226285501

[krisslanza]

Oh it looks at your max fleet potential as well...http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=226285501

I think that's because it spawns the armies in a "circle", and in that case part of that circle falls into the ocean.
It might depend if the Civil War starts at a settlement that has a port or not, however. I haven't really tested, or seen much of this either way. Mostly you see insane army spawns due to modding the army cap to an absurd number.

[doyce7]

Really? Aw that sucks! So the other two families in the senate will always be there pissing me off by assassinating my characters' grandmothers? I thought the point of the Civil War was to get rid of your enemies (like in Rome 1!!!).

So if I get it right, the civil war in Rome 2 looks more like the Barons' rebellion from the M2TW kingdoms Brittania campaign. Some random dudes appear out of nowhere with full stacks of armies...

And do they really get as many soldiers as I do? Because I currently have 20 full armies plus 5-6 fleets :-/

In my experience, they aren't all full stacks either. Some have had as little as 12 units

[brandbll]

Really? Aw that sucks! So the other two families in the senate will always be there pissing me off by assassinating my characters' grandmothers? I thought the point of the Civil War was to get rid of your enemies (like in Rome 1!!!).

So if I get it right, the civil war in Rome 2 looks more like the Barons' rebellion from the M2TW kingdoms Brittania campaign. Some random dudes appear out of nowhere with full stacks of armies...

And do they really get as many soldiers as I do? Because I currently have 20 full armies plus 5-6 fleets :-/

Well you have other families you compete with, it's just they don't leave you. They are apparently competing with you but for you at the same time. It's a very lazily sloppily unprofessionally implemented "feature"(if you want to call it that), and it is unlike any civil war found in all of the history of humanity. And Krislanza is right, it's not how many armies you have, it's how many armies you CAN have. So if you have 20 armies, the clone army that teleports in will have just as many if not more. If i ever get back to playing this game ill be using a mod that disables this horrible sci-fi/fantasy script.

It would have been nice if CA created a real civil war where you had to pick a side and had certain provinces and certain armies turn against you. You know, like real civil wars that happened here on Earth. Alas, we are dealing with some very lazy people who do not set very high standards for the work they produce.


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[-iceblade^]

It would have been nice if CA created a real civil war where you had to pick a side and had certain provinces and certain armies turn against you. You know, like real civil wars that happened here on Earth. Alas, we are dealing with some very lazy people who do not set very high standards for the work they produce.

Yeah this would be really nice. Nice and realistic. The current "civil war" mechanic is in some ways worse than Realm Divide was in Shogun 2. Quite immersion breaking. It'd work even better with a loyalty mechanic (Shogun 2 had this I think, and so did BI), and maybe the random provinces detaching and maybe trying to join together and unify their holdings, with you able to pick a side.

[Derpy Hooves]

Well you have other families you compete with, it's just they don't leave you. They are apparently competing with you but for you at the same time. It's a very lazily sloppily unprofessionally implemented "feature"(if you want to call it that), and it is unlike any civil war found in all of the history of humanity. And Krislanza is right, it's not how many armies you have, it's how many armies you CAN have. So if you have 20 armies, the clone army that teleports in will have just as many if not more. If i ever get back to playing this game ill be using a mod that disables this horrible sci-fi/fantasy script.

It would have been nice if CA created a real civil war where you had to pick a side and had certain provinces and certain armies turn against you. You know, like real civil wars that happened here on Earth. Alas, we are dealing with some very lazy people who do not set very high standards for the work they produce.

​The civil war system in ETW was actually better in hindsight. Not only are armies spawned, but some of your prexisting troops will be added to the rebels.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

​The civil war system in ETW was actually better in hindsight. Not only are armies spawned, but some of your prexisting troops will be added to the rebels.

Yes. On top of that, you could have multiple civil wars, you could choose which side to be on, and the results actually had far-reaching consequences on your campaign, even going so far as to change you relations with other countries.

It was far superior to this Civil War.

[doyce7]

Hey everyone!

So, I'm having an unusual request here: I want to start a civil war in my solo campaign!

I've been playing this campaign with Rome for a while now. I'm more than 250 turns into the game, I've already conquered most of the real life roman empire, no other faction really poses a challenge to my empire anymore.
So the truth is, I'm bored.
I've heard that the civil wars in Rome 2 are quite the challenge! But I haven't seen any so far, and I don't really know how to trigger one (it used to be simpler in rome 1).

So how can I screw up my empire so that half my armies rebel and start fighting with the other half?

Well they only take one city to start with and have as many armies as you have. What I do if I want a hard civil war is not attack them but keep with wars I have going and start ending them slowly. The civil war armies will begin to attack your cities. Let them. Don't resist them. Let them grow and become more powerful. Once you end your wars and your income starts dropping, then hit back.

It has about a 50% success rate for me. Sometimes the armies will besically collapse by either dumb AI or by attacking another faction other than myself.

Note that if the civil war starts because your too powerful, they will spawn at a random province capital. If it starts because your too weak then they will spawn at your capital.

[krisslanza]

Well they only take one city to start with and have as many armies as you have. What I do if I want a hard civil war is not attack them but keep with wars I have going and start ending them slowly. The civil war armies will begin to attack your cities. Let them. Don't resist them. Let them grow and become more powerful. Once you end your wars and your income starts dropping, then hit back.

It has about a 50% success rate for me. Sometimes the armies will besically collapse by either dumb AI or by attacking another faction other than myself.

Note that if the civil war starts because your too powerful, they will spawn at a random province capital. If it starts because your too weak then they will spawn at your capital.

It's also worth noting that since the Civil War spawns are based on your maximum army cap, if you have done any changes to this cap, you can end up seeing an absurdly massive Civil War army spawn in. So be wary if you mess with the army limits and trigger Civil War.

[stevehoos]

I was laughing about this Rome 2 Civil war script today, when I remembered my edited text file from the Stainless Steel mod's William Wallace army spawn. Just amazing how simple, lazy, and un-dynamic this feature is in Rome 2. I had more fun in game with my 10 minute notepad (in Medieval 2) edit than this feature, but oh a 40% bigger budget for the win. I feel like everyone of the developers for Rome 2 went to a seminar on how to kill immersion, a very poorly made game in this regard, just so laughable; as the thread title reads: Civil War for Dummies.

[fluffsuit]

I don't think this is the challenge you are looking for. the best thing you can do is try to have it be random. get your faction influence as high as possible so that the civil war starts in a random province. it'll hopefully take you a couple of turns to gather your forces and maybe you'll already be at war elsewhere. at any rate you'll lose a couple settlements. then clean house. it does give you a really nice bonus if you pick empire over republic. at this point, i usually try to get it to trigger as early as possible. its more likely to happen when you're imperium is higher too. but basically i just get my influence as low as possible by forcing divorce, adopting and what not. then surround Rome or the capitol with as many armies as i can spare. then just wait. then destroy all the stacks in about 1-2 turns and pick empire.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

Never played the original MTW.

And come on! You can't count FotS! The whole game is a civil war!