Leak of Turkish attack plans for Syria prompts youtube blocking

[Tureuki]

Youtube is banned.

[white-wolf]

Youtube is banned.

I can still reach youtube.

May be because I changed my DNS settings.

There is a new video on youtube that show telephone talks between his eldest and married son and the son's mistress in which the son threatens and swears to the mistress.

Also, there is another new video in which FM, MIT head (Turkish CIA), a general from Military and another person talks in a meeting about sending millitary in Syria against ISIL and possible bombing revenge attacks of ISIL. Fidan, the head of MIT, talks about sending some men and bombing Suleyman Şah Tomb (a Turkish Land in Syria, due to agrement of 1921) to create a pretext. This news is banned from TVs by RTUK committe.

[Armenum]

So Turkey wanted to attack Syria via a false-flag operation...looks like Erdogan was looking for a distraction.

[Tureuki]

Not Syria, but ISIL, but would they that use that opportunity move on Syrian government ? possible.

[Armenum]

Not Syria, but ISIL, but would they that use that opportunity move on Syrian government ? possible.

I'm sure they'd kill two birds with one stone...

[Rijul.J.Ballal]

looks like Erdogan was looking for a distraction.

Ah the middle east, keeping us entertained since the dawn of man kind.

[white-wolf]

I do not understand banning youtube. It is only banned in Turkey. It is not reachable from Turkey. However, every body else can reach it. What do you hide from Turkish Public mr. Erdoğan?

I watched the vid; the important point is they are discussing about attacking to ISIL on Syria, and possible results of it, like car bombings at Turkey, and creating a pretext to attack. This is very important, that a meeting between Ministry level officials can be recorded so easily.

[YukonTrooper]

This is very important, that a meeting between Ministry level officials can be recorded so easily.

Really? You'd think the very important part would be Turkish high officials plotting false flag operations to attack another country. You'd think the very important part would be the Turkish Chief of National Intelligence plotting to order an attack on his own country and blame it on another country to declare war. But no, the biggest crime is that someone leaked their conversation. Yikes.

Of course, CNN is all over these events and NATO will convene an emergency meeting to remove the Turkish warmongering scum from the alliance. Actually that sounds like a proper NATO thing to do. Never mind.

[white-wolf]

Really? You'd think the very important part would be Turkish high officials plotting false flag operations to attack another country. You'd think the very important part would be the Turkish Chief of National Intelligence plotting to order an attack on his own country and blame it on another country to declare war. But no, the biggest crime is that someone leaked their conversation. Yikes.

Of course, CNN is all over these events and NATO will convene an emergency meeting to remove the Turkish warmongering scum from the alliance. Actually that sounds like a proper NATO thing to do. Never mind.

I believe you did not read the transcprits and sprouting your feelings. In the meeting the terrorists, the ISIL, was discussed. How it is a danger, how they can attack to ISIL, NOT Syria. How it can run bombing attacks in Turkey, and the diffuculty to control the border.

If to talk about plans to attacks on a terrorist organisation is a reason to kick out a member from Nato, then you are ofcourse right. Otherwise it shows the level of your knowledge.

[DarthLazy]

When is the next revolution then ? Erdogan has clearly lost the plot.

[FireElemental]

Man this Gülen is vindictive.

[Lord of Nihilism]

This is actually somewhat of a serious concern. If Turkey invades Syria, there's several factors to take into consideration; are they just going to topple the extremists? or are they going to go after the Syrian Government? There's also the fact that Syria can despite contrary belief, fight back. This isn't Libya we're talking about. While Libya was a backwater third world country that most people never knew about, Syria actually has a capable Army and bodies willing to die for the Syrian state. We also have to consider the fact that since the US won't do anything in Syria short of invading the place, so that leaves Turkey bearing most of the responsibility, but can they succeed? That is the real question.

On another note, why is white wolf defending Turkey so much? You might not want to admit it, but Turkey is indeed helping the terrorists/extremists in Syria. While they might not be supplying them directly, they're at the very least turning a blinde eye to their border crossings and actions.

EDIT:" I'm drinking tonight so spelling errors and such are to be expected. I thought I was in the Syrian War thread, hence why I mentioned white wolf. Sorry for the confusion.

[Stavroforos]

Though knowing Erdoğan and Turkey, starting a war with Greece to shore up support at home isn't out of the question.

It really is and you can't provide any supporting argument other than a coup charge that is proven to be based on forged documents.

Indeed Seth, it seems like your country would never start have a false flag operation to start a war. Courage, Turks, courage for our friends.

[Euphoric]

I wonder if and when there will be a deep-state coup to remove the AKP.

[Dromikaites]

Let's face it: the discussion is about justifying a large-scale Turkish intervention in Syria against ISIL by means of a false-flag operation.

ISIL is a former branch of Al-Qaeda, disavowed for excessive violence by...Al-Qaeda themselves. The Syrian government seems to be powerless against ISIL, which practically controls now most of Northern Syria. So while the Syrian government might not like the Turkish army crossing the Syrian border uninvited, they won't shed a tear for ISIL either.

All in all, there's not much in that leaked conversation which would cause most of the Turks to vote against Erdogan.

Crossing the border while going after a terrorist organisation is something the Turkish military has done before, and neither the domestic public opinion nor the international one were particularly outraged.

So I think leaking that conversation wasn't much of an issue in itself.

However the incident showed Erdogan that secret conversations have an unpleasant tendency to find their way to the public, and he wants to prevent the dissemination of other recorded audio or video conversations which might be truly damaging.

[white-wolf]

So I think leaking that conversation wasn't much of an issue in itself.

However the incident showed Erdogan that secret conversations have an unpleasant tendency to find their way to the public, and he wants to prevent the dissemination of other recorded audio or video conversations which might be truly damaging.

This.

I believe the preventing youtube access from Turkey using this conversion means to prevent people here to learn other scandals. There is no logic to prevent Turkish public to access this video.

[Vanoi]

ISIL is a former branch of Al-Qaeda, disavowed for excessive violence by...Al-Qaeda themselves. The Syrian government seems to be powerless against ISIL, which practically controls now most of Northern Syria. So while the Syrian government might not like the Turkish army crossing the Syrian border uninvited, they won't shed a tear for ISIL either.

Things have changed and the ISIL does not control most of Northern Syria anymore. ISIL were getting attacked by multiple rebel groups and the Kurds so they had to withdraw most of their forces to Ar-Raqqah in Syria. I don't think Turkey will invade Syria. Most they will do is take over Syrian Army checkpoints. Maybe.

[Stavroforos]

Paranoid much?

Greece and Turkey are both in the NATO and there is very little to gain for Turkey..

I think we need to move beyond the idea that all states always act rationally or with reasons that are understandable by those not in the know. In any case, the prospect of a war can serve to help a deteriorating domestic situation be alleviated, which is ultimately more important for politicians than the clear long-term disadvantages any major war will bring

[neoptolemos]

I think we need to move beyond the idea that all states always act rationally or with reasons that are understandable by those not in the know. In any case, the prospect of a war can serve to help a deteriorating domestic situation be alleviated, which is ultimately more important for politicians than the clear long-term disadvantages any major war will bring

Very true, for example It didn't occurred to me that Ukraine would be in that situation.

[Caesar Germanico]

I think we need to move beyond the idea that all states always act rationally or with reasons that are understandable by those not in the know. In any case, the prospect of a war can serve to help a deteriorating domestic situation be alleviated, which is ultimately more important for politicians than the clear long-term disadvantages any major war will bring

Agreed but in this case (Turkey vs Greece) the idea of war is very very ludicrous.