Students occupy Taiwan's parliament, eat cake.

[Garbarsardar]

About 20,000 students and workers occupy for the past week the Taiwanese Parliament. The reason for this protest is an agreement that the government of Taiwan pushed through without any discussion or consultation by use of the favourite (for those who had the chance to glimpse democracy in action in said parliament) technique of holding the podium.

The agreement will enable Chinese interests to acquire large portions of Taiwan's media.

The students also attempted to occupy the Governmental Building but were violently dispersed. The secretary of the embattled president of the island, in an attempt to paint the protestors as a violent mob ranted on live TV for about 3 minutes about the protestors having eaten a cake he was keeping in his desk(-in Chinese, sorry).

Other worthy anecdotes are:

The parents of the student which they University arrested as instigator of the protest (and later released since he was in a bus 200km away at the time of the storming) receive death threats from untraceable numbers.

The minister of education warned University Professors to stay out of the affair because "as public servants they should adhere to the policy of the government". Or else.

The CIP (council of indigenous people-Taiwan's natives) advised the indigenous people to stay out of the affair since "the agreement affect employers and only 2% of indigenous Taiwanese are employers. And they should know their place! I add.

Concluding, to all those worried that China will invade Taiwan, I have to say that this will not be necessary. China will simply buy Taiwan.

Despite extensive searches no evidence of the fate of the cake have been produced.

[hellheaven1987]

Ukraine 2.0 again...

The reality is that despite the best solution is to become "globalized", Taiwan can never be globalized with current condition and ultimately would just become a satellite of China regardless Taiwan wants or not.

If you ask why Taiwan cannot be globalized, the reasons are:

- Poor English skills.
- Chinese cultural mindset.
- Island mindset.

However China probably knows annex Taiwan forcefully would not be good for its PR, as it alert all its neighbours and push them into US' arm (SEA and South Korea are always suspicious that China want to annex them, either through "cultural integration" or colonization + culture genocide).

[Visna]

They should have taken the cake hostage instead of eating it.

[Knight of Heaven]

They should have taken the cake hostage instead of eating it.

That would be a complete waste of a real good cake. In time it would be no good for eating. It had to be right now, right then.

[hellheaven1987]

That would be a complete waste of a real good cake. In time it would be no good for eating. It had to be right now, right then.

Indeed, just like you don't want to eat a Christmas cake that is expired.

[AqD]

- Island mindset.

What's "Island mindset"??

[Roma_Victrix]

Concluding, to all those worried that China will invade Taiwan, I have to say that this will not be necessary. China will simply buy Taiwan.

Very crafty on the part of the mainlanders to gobble up the media first. Let the brainwashing and coaxing of the Taiwanese begin!

[hellheaven1987]

Very crafty on the part of the mainlanders to gobble up the media first. Let the brainwashing and coaxing of the Taiwanese begin!

Na, it already happens, and not to mention there is a good amount of minority that want to unify, although most of they day dream that ROC would be the one that annex PRC.

[Euphoric]

So wars of conquest are becoming cultural now that military takeovers have been prohibited by the U.N. Go figure.

[Sphere]

If the KMT just hadn't flooded the Yellow River in 1938 none of this would have happened.

[RollingWave]

If the KMT just hadn't flooded the Yellow River in 1938 none of this would have happened.

Yeah, we'd all be commies and everything would be solved.

[RollingWave]

Let's break down this farce one by one.

About 20,000 students and workers occupy for the past week the Taiwanese Parliament. The reason for this protest is an agreement that the government of Taiwan pushed through without any discussion or consultation by use of the favourite (for those who had the chance to glimpse democracy in action in said parliament) technique of holding the podium.

Yes, who held the podium exactly? The opposition.

There have been discussion over the last 6 month, most people just didn't care, like they don't care about the rest of the laws usually discussed by the parliament.

The agreement will enable Chinese interests to acquire large portions of Taiwan's media.

A blatant lie shot down numerous times but keep getting repeated. Have you actually read any of the details? here's what Taiwan opens to China (not including financial sector.)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2AL...9LelR0Q28/edit

Please, point out where in there it says anything about China being able to buy medias in Taiwan.

The students also attempted to occupy the Governmental Building but were violently dispersed. The secretary of the embattled president of the island, in an attempt to paint the protestors as a violent mob ranted on live TV for about 3 minutes about the protestors having eaten a cake he was keeping in his desk(-in Chinese, sorry).

Yes, removing someone from unlawful intrusion of major governmental building is "violent dispersion" please, go ahead and ask occupy wall street to try the same on the White House and see if they get pass the gates without a sniper shot to the head. It is clearly written in law that these buildings can not be entered without being invited or authorized, and espeically noted that they are not allowed to hold protest on site, just like you can't barge into a military camp unannounced, start trashing stuff, then crys when the guards inevitably shoot.

Other worthy anecdotes are:

The parents of the student which they University arrested as instigator of the protest (and later released since he was in a bus 200km away at the time of the storming) receive death threats from untraceable numbers.

can't be confirmed.

The minister of education warned University Professors to stay out of the affair because "as public servants they should adhere to the policy of the government". Or else.

Their wages are also paid by the public. Or Else what really? it is notoriously hard to fire public servants in Taiwan, even if you publish blatant lies .

The CIP (council of indigenous people-Taiwan's natives) advised the indigenous people to stay out of the affair since "the agreement affect employers and only 2% of indigenous Taiwanese are employers. And they should know their place! I add.

Or the more obvious part where most indigenous folks support the ruling party anyway.

Concluding, to all those worried that China will invade Taiwan, I have to say that this will not be necessary. China will simply buy Taiwan.

So lies based on racial phobia, I wonder what they use to call this... There's a perfect reason why the satirical scene in Taiwan have long used this logo to mock the opposition group.

[Garbarsardar]

Yes, who held the podium exactly? The opposition.

The photo I used is an older one just to highlight how democratic process is understood in the Taiwan parliament. The ruling's party legislator Wu Yu-sheng, denounced the protesters' actions as those of a "violent mob undermining Taiwan's democratic process". Now, all together, let's spot the difference:

There have been discussion over the last 6 month, most people just didn't care, like they don't care about the rest of the laws usually discussed by the parliament.

Except for the fact that the ruling party forced the review through without any discussion of the review in the parliament. Which caused the protests.

A blatant lie shot down numerous times but keep getting repeated. Have you actually read any of the details? here's what Taiwan opens to China (not including financial sector.)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2AL...9LelR0Q28/edit

Please, point out where in there it says anything about China being able to buy medias in Taiwan.

Please point me where it says that it cannot. Media are owned by enterprises belonging to the financial sector. So they can and will be bought.

Yes, removing someone from unlawful intrusion of major governmental building is "violent dispersion" please, go ahead and ask occupy wall street to try the same on the White House and see if they get pass the gates without a sniper shot to the head. It is clearly written in law that these buildings can not be entered without being invited or authorized, and espeically noted that they are not allowed to hold protest on site, just like you can't barge into a military camp unannounced, start trashing stuff, then crys when the guards inevitably shoot.

A military camp? It was the seat of the executive branch. Not exactly Guantanamo. But given that the ruling party was used to shoot at people for many years with impunity, I understand your analogy. Indeed Taiwan was for a long time a military camp ruled by the KMT military dictatorship; you obviously think it is still the case.

can't be confirmed.

Yes because making death threats to the opposition is above KMT.

Their wages are also paid by the public. Or Else what really? it is notoriously hard to fire public servants in Taiwan, even if you publish blatant lies .

Since when the fact that one is a public servant is an impediment to having an opinion? When public servants support KMT no minister issues warnings.

Or the more obvious part where most indigenous folks support the ruling party anyway.

If KMT was certain of their unwavering support it would not have CIP issuing calming statements. Maybe if KMT promised to give back the land it stole from them no reassuring statement would be necessary.

So lies based on racial phobia, I wonder what they use to call this... There's a perfect reason why the satirical scene in Taiwan have long used this logo to mock the opposition group.

Racial phobia? You mean that Taiwanese are different race than the inhabitants of mainland China? Or you are calling me a racist and by your link a fascist?

As to the little pic you posted it is mind boggling that a party that ruled Taiwan as a hereditary dictatorship for 45 years, that imprisoned and executed dissenters and shot at his own citizens unprovoked, would claim that someone opposing it is a Nazi.


And you have not answered yet: what happened to the cake? And why KMT members hide food in their desks?

[RollingWave]

The photo I used is an older one just to highlight how democratic process is understood in the Taiwan parliament. The ruling's party legislator Wu Yu-sheng, denounced the protesters' actions as those of a "violent mob undermining Taiwan's democratic process". Now, all together, let's spot the difference:

ah yes let's not get into the part that the very picture you posted is precisely shows that opposition groups use violence and thuggery to prevent majority party to actually exercise their right.

Except for the fact that the ruling party forced the review through without any discussion of the review in the parliament. Which caused the protests.

Let us lie to the world and completely pretend that the review didn't happen because for the last 3 months every meeting in the comittee went either one of 2 ways.
1. Opposition member is chair for the day : "this meeeting is dismissed" (5 seconds after it starts.)
2. Majority member is chair for the day -> sits on desk, takes away his mic, says "HEY YOUR NOT IN YOUR SEAT THIS MEETING IS OBVIOUSLY NOT STARTING!"

let us pretend that the party with absolute majority would need to pull off like that to get a bill they wrote through. yes, that's how these places work...

Please point me where it says that it cannot. Media are owned by enterprises belonging to the financial sector. So they can and will be bought.

What is this if it's not phobia really?

A military camp? It was the seat of the executive branch. Not exactly Guantanamo. But given that the ruling party was used to shoot at people for many years with impunity, I understand your analogy. Indeed Taiwan was for a long time a military camp ruled by the KMT military dictatorship; you obviously think it is still the case.

please, try to walk into Eisenhower Executive building unannounced and trash a few stuff, let's see what happens, I'm waiting.

Yes because making death threats to the opposition is above KMT.

nor the DPP

Since when the fact that one is a public servant is an impediment to having an opinion? When public servants support KMT no minister issues warnings.

So clearly, if your a private worker, and you skip work to go to a protest, and gets fired because your gone for 5 days, you'll cry that it's political suppression right?

If KMT was certain of their unwavering support it would not have CIP issuing calming statements. Maybe if KMT promised to give back the land it stole from them no reassuring statement would be necessary.

You mean the land the Taiwanese stole from them. almost all of that happened long before the KMT were even founded.

Racial phobia? You mean that Taiwanese are different race than the inhabitants of mainland China? Or you are calling me a racist and by your link a fascist?

As to the little pic you posted it is mind boggling that a party that ruled Taiwan as a hereditary dictatorship for 45 years, that imprisoned and executed dissenters and shot at his own citizens unprovoked, would claim that someone opposing it is a Nazi.

Yes, I'm calling folks that's crying holier than thou rhetoric that under any sort of objective scrutiny could be easily overturned, and most of them wildly beyond belief that any rational person would adhere to, such as your argument of "because it's not written that the CCP can buy anything in taiwan in the agreement it obviously means it can!" which defies all common sense, let along common international law. And when broken down into long term observation, the only reason you can find of their action and logic is an overwhelming phobia of another group of people. that is essentially the academic definition of facisim, playing extreme nationalistic fear for political gains.

And you have not answered yet: what happened to the cake? And why KMT members hide food in their desks?

because they're average human beings and not the mechnical monsters with singular purpose of selling Taiwan to China ? (and they must be such terribly ineffective machines to still not being able to sell such a small island after almost 6 years. those bombers behind the direct flights sure is taking their time.)

[Garbarsardar]

Yes, I'm calling folks that's crying holier than thou rhetoric that under any sort of objective scrutiny could be easily overturned, and most of them wildly beyond belief that any rational person would adhere to, such as your argument of "because it's not written that the CCP can buy anything in taiwan in the agreement it obviously means it can!" which defies all common sense, let along common international law. And when broken down into long term observation, the only reason you can find of their action and logic is an overwhelming phobia of another group of people. that is essentially the academic definition of facisim, playing extreme nationalistic fear for political gains.

You called me a racist and a fascist in no uncertain terms. Care to back it up? Plain and simple. When one castigates a fascist regime, he is fascist and if the fascist regime is not in his country of origin, he is a racist. Is that all?

because they're average human beings and not the mechnical monsters with singular purpose of selling Taiwan to China ? (and they must be such terribly ineffective machines to still not being able to sell such a small island after almost 6 years. those bombers behind the direct flights sure is taking their time.)

We know that KMT is notoriously unreliable. They lost half China to Japan, the whole of China to Mao, they were mired in economic scandals since forever, and the had the US to account to. No, despite their best efforts they could not sell out that fast. Also, this thing about hoarding cakes as a proof of humanity was touching.

[AqD]

Let's break down this farce one by one.

Yes, who held the podium exactly? The opposition.

There have been discussion over the last 6 month, most people just didn't care, like they don't care about the rest of the laws usually discussed by the parliament.

A blatant lie shot down numerous times but keep getting repeated. Have you actually read any of the details? here's what Taiwan opens to China (not including financial sector.)

We don't want to care because we want nothing to do with China. I'm sure a lot of enterprises can earn money from that, but business profits are NOT bound to this country, people are. What good can it bring to people here? We have no intention to work there, to invite them, to lend them money or borrow from them, or to buy their stuff or to sell them anything.

Why are the ruling elites so eager about pushing deals with it? We have a weak government and many parts of China especially their local governments are notoriously untrustworthy. Even through those deals seem beneficial in short-term, it cannot help our competitiveness and has nothing do with globalization, but more like modern sinicization, which we should have utterly thrown away decades ago.

[RollingWave]

We don't want to care because we want nothing to do with China. I'm sure a lot of enterprises can earn money from that, but business profits are NOT bound to this country, people are. What good can it bring to people here? We have no intention to work there, to invite them, to lend them money or borrow from them, or to buy their stuff or to sell them anything.

Why are the ruling elites so eager about pushing deals with it? We have a weak government and many parts of China especially their local governments are notoriously untrustworthy. Even through those deals seem beneficial in short-term, it cannot help our competitiveness and has nothing do with globalization, but more like modern sinicization, which we should have utterly thrown away decades ago.

This seems to be an odd way of arguing, sure , you COULD not do it, just like you could not work hard and earn a lot of money, but if other folks want to, your going to cry and restraint them from doing so? People also isn't bound to the country. if anything, people immigrating is actually far easier than companies completely leaving their home country.

Taiwanese business been in China for nearly 3 decades, many of these agreement are merely accepting these facts, not to mention , if your confident Taiwan is an independent country, why would you worry about having Chinese companies and people enjoying the same laws and standards of other foreigners? (which they don't, and still won't, after this agreement. but it's at least a step away from the diabolic restrictions )

[hellheaven1987]

if your confident Taiwan is an independent country

Like be an independent country worth any today; look at what happen to "independent" Ukraine.

[AqD]

This seems to be an odd way of arguing, sure , you COULD not do it, just like you could not work hard and earn a lot of money, but if other folks want to, your going to cry and restraint them from doing so? People also isn't bound to the country. if anything, people immigrating is actually far easier than companies completely leaving their home country.

If other folks are happy to do business in China, they're free to move there. But I have no interest of allowing more people in China to come here in exchange for that, except students. Not until they become a normal country.

Taiwanese business been in China for nearly 3 decades, many of these agreement are merely accepting these facts, not to mention , if your confident Taiwan is an independent country, why would you worry about having Chinese companies and people enjoying the same laws and standards of other foreigners? (which they don't, and still won't, after this agreement. but it's at least a step away from the diabolic restrictions )

Of course we're NOT confident. We already have an over-reliance on China, whose government is hostile to us, yet our government wants more.

You do realize there is a huge difference between average Chinese and other foreigners such as Japanese? Haven't you seen what's happening in Hong Kong?

[hellheaven1987]

Like DPP is better.