Gung-Ho Albuquerque Police Officers shoot Camper

[Sharpe]

The man is actually shot and dies in the vid, so don't watch if you are not prepared to see it.



This not just about guns but terrible, simply terrible police work. It's a man (A clearly disabled one at that) with a small knife, and you use a flash bang - which clearly incapacitated the man, then yell orders while he is flailing and finally use a rapid fire rifle to take him down? Even though the K-9 is ready to rumble?
The man could have gone mental and charged the officers - A simple stun gun or bean bag would have sufficed. This is ing insane and pretty saddening. The worst part is that he is bending down do surrender and then they decide to shoot - he knows he's totally powerless, feck me.

Oh and it was considered a justified killing. Come on America, shite like this is why us Brits think you are all mad.

[Caduet]

why did they send seal team six cosplayers to arrest a homeless dude. even if he had a pocket knife or two.

lol do they bean bag him AFTER hes dead? jesus these tards "BOOYAH"

[Sharpe]

lol do they bean bag him AFTER hes dead? jesus these tards "BOOYAH"

No they sicked the ing dog on him while he's got multiple gun wounds.

This is how I imagined they returned to the station:

[Lord of Nihilism]

What's done is done. The man is dead so there's really no point in escalating this situation any further; the police in question will get a hefty fine, have to attend some additional training courses and might be on probation. What I want to know is why is it that every video I see that involves American police, they have an unusually large number of police(10+), even if it's just 1 suspect who needs to be apprehended?

[knight of meh]

What's done is done. The man is dead so there's really no point in escalating this situation any further;

oh no there is a point in escalating it you know the fact that it shouldn't have happened in the first place?? someone has to wake up and look at how you recruit , train these idiots to get this result

[Lord of Nihilism]

oh no there is a point in escalating it you know the fact that it shouldn't have happened in the first place?? someone has to wake up and look at how you recruit , train these idiots to get this result

There is no point in escalating this though. The police in question will no doubt get a hefty fine, have to attend some additional training courses and maybe a probation; that's sufficient I think. People have to realise that casualties are expected when you become a law enforcement officer, on both the civilian and police side; the man in the video was a casualty so ideally there shouldn't even be any consequences.

[Visna]

I can't remember the exact statistics and can't be bothered to check right now, but iirc there are more registered guns than people in the US. And that's just the registered ones. So statistically every single American from infant to senior is armed and dangerous. Not saying it's reasonable, but it might go at least some way to explain why police officers and such act in such a "militaristic" (for lack of a better word) manner. You can't have your cake and eat it too, and on one hand Americans in general seem to be addicted to the idea of a heavily armed society, and on the other people in authority like the police are then expected not to act accordingly.

Of course statistics like the above can be tricky, for example not every Dane has somewhere between 2 and 2,5 pigs at home.

[Denny Crane!]

I can't remember the exact statistics and can't be bothered to check right now, but iirc there are more registered guns than people in the US. And that's just the registered ones. So statistically every single American from infant to senior is armed and dangerous. Not saying it's reasonable, but it might go at least some way to explain why police officers and such act in such a "militaristic" (for lack of a better word) manner. You can't have your cake and eat it too, and on one hand Americans in general seem to be addicted to the idea of a heavily armed society, and on the other people in authority like the police are then expected not to act accordingly.

Of course statistics like the above can be tricky, for example not every Dane has somewhere between 2 and 2,5 pigs at home.

He did not have a gun in his hands, they had every ability to put him down before he got one into his hands without live rounds. There is no way to justify or mitigate this or make it seem less than it is.

[Love Mountain]

There is no point in escalating this though. The police in question will no doubt get a hefty fine, have to attend some additional training courses and maybe a probation; that's sufficient I think. People have to realise that casualties are expected when you become a law enforcement officer, on both the civilian and police side; the man in the video was a casualty so ideally there shouldn't even be any consequences.

This happens too often and it really makes people question the quality of police officers these days. And I'm not talking about the whole donut-eating thing. I'm talking about psych and mentality. tests

[The spartan]

There is no point in escalating this though. The police in question will no doubt get a hefty fine, have to attend some additional training courses and maybe a probation; that's sufficient I think. People have to realise that casualties are expected when you become a law enforcement officer, on both the civilian and police side; the man in the video was a casualty so ideally there shouldn't even be any consequences.

Doubtful, officers on the clock that open fire, in both fatal and non-fatal incidents, very rarely receive any meaningful punishment. It is typically a month paid suspension or something along those lines. Honestly, I think it is because the system is so lenient on officers who are in the wrong that the US has a problem of police brutality. As a youth, I was quite afraid of the police (as were my friends) as it felt like even inconveniencing an officer was enough for them to use a great deal of force on you.

[mike^_^]

What's done is done. The man is dead so there's really no point in escalating this situation any further; the police in question will get a hefty fine, have to attend some additional training courses and might be on probation. What I want to know is why is it that every video I see that involves American police, they have an unusually large number of police(10+), even if it's just 1 suspect who needs to be apprehended?

? Seriously?

It's a doctrine of preponderance. When Imperial Knights show up to exterminate the local unfortunate, they are going to do so in force. That is so the rest of the proles don't get any rebellious ideas, also keep in mind, the lives of those who work for the government are inherently more valuable than the rest of the population's

[chamaeleo]

I'm glad I don't live in ing New Mexico, yeesh.

Burqueno here. First off, this incident is not a fluke...it is APD business as usual.

Normal, law abiding citizens like me hesitate to call the cops because they ing terrify EVERYBODY in this city. If they see you jaywalking, they don't arrest you. They swerve towards you (and your dog, partner/2 mo old in baby carrier, and 3 yr old son), accelerate, and try to RUN YOU OVER. When your elderly, hallucinating neighbor who is dying of lupus locks herself in your sunroom at 5am, they dispatch 6 police: 1 to distract her with calm words, 2 to tackle her, 1 to cover her with a beanbag gun and the last two on shotgun and pistol duty (Yelling "I GOT LETHAL!!!" before storming her was how they call dibs on securing a potential killshot). They travel in packs here: if you get pulled over by 1 cop, by the time you get your ticket for 10 mph over the limit, there's 3 squadcars blocking traffic behind you.

Nobody here joins the APD unless they're hooked into something beyond the old "give back to the community" mentality, whether it be control issues, family history, or whatnot.

Even after living in 10 different states I can honestly say that I love this city, but it's got problems...

What's done is done. The man is dead so there's really no point in escalating this situation any further; the police in question will get a hefty fine, have to attend some additional training courses and might be on probation. What I want to know is why is it that every video I see that involves American police, they have an unusually large number of police(10+), even if it's just 1 suspect who needs to be apprehended?

No, they get a bonus and some free vacation time-off:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/us...anted=all&_r=0

There seems to be an alarming in crease in some of these shootings that leave me scratching my head.

Training. Citizens are perceived as "EVIL" until proven otherwise (and even then...).

"“Evil has come to the state of New Mexico, evil has come to the Southwest, evil has come to the United States,” said Jack Jones, director of the Law Enforcement Academy, when asked about the new approach."

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/new...b6731c6d1.html

Yep and I hope they get nailed for it but I can see where the mistake was made. He turned around and I could see how that COULD be thought of as going for a weapon, and when one fired they all went OK corral on him. (US saying ). Being they SHOULD be professionals though, it was clearly poorly handled.

3+ hr standoff...by that point if he'd had a gun, he'd have brandished a gun. Not a wee little pair of knives. They told him to surrender, to get down on the ground.

I frequently hike and go bouldering near Boyd's camp: the only clear and flat spots are uphill from boulders, everywhere else it's pretty severe terrain. So unless the suspect was expected to lay down on a cactus...dude was bound to turn around just to comply w the officers.

But this is besides the point. Officers are only supposed to shoot when feeling personally threatened. A fleeing/lying down suspect armed with a knife at 10 yds, separated by boulders/cacti/steep hillside...so unless dude is a total ninja, would not constitute a threat to one's personal safety.

That the person wasn't thinking straight is something the policemen had no means to know because they can't read minds. So the only issue to be discussed is whether they should have waited till the guys calmed down or whether they should have used some non-lethal weapons to incapacitate them.

Wrong. They knew the suspect, they knew his history. They were waiting for the crisis intervention unit, specifically tasked w dealing w the mentally ill. But...it was getting dark, on towards supper time...

The only other option would have been to use non-lethal weapons. But one can use them only if one has them.

They had beanbags, tasers, police dog, flashbangs, batons, body armor...WTF else would they need???

This may or may not matter, but I think what killed him ultimately was the fall. If you look near the end of the video, you'll see a large blood splatter on a rock that seems as if he bashed his head off of it, not that I'm a blood-splatter specialist.

Nope...'twas FMJ bullets.

At this point, maybe I should cease trying to explain the inexplicable, quote by quote? No, nothing the SWAT team did makes ANY sense from ANY standpoint. Except, maybe, through training and a complete disregard for the basic value of a human life, no matter how messed up it might be.

ing AZ.

[Toho]

I though they were issued stun guns to avoid this kind of situation.
the guy is clearly no threat at at that range, just fire some stun guns at him or send the dog after him and he is done.
there is nothing he can do especially with all that gear on him.

cops are just so ing trigger happy and its not just americans, check out these canadian cops.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AEqglZ_x1k

[AgentGB]

You sure they were using real bullets, and not firing rubber bullets? otherwise it doesn't make sense to tell him to get up otherwise? Not a great deal of blood either for the amount of dakka he took. Seem like it could have been internal injury or the fall that killed him, may have got hit in the spine, and that why he couldn't get up.

[Sharpe]

You sure they were using real bullets, and not firing rubber bullets? otherwise it doesn't make sense to tell him to get up otherwise? Not a great deal of blood either for the amount of dakka he took. Seem like it could have been internal injury or the fall that killed him, may have got hit in the spine, and that why he couldn't get up.

I'm fairly sure it was fatal. Google "Albuquerque Police Shooting" and have a look.

Well, at least they brought along and used non-lethal measures. They just need to work on their sequencing.

Shoot - Alsatian - Talk worked out for them.

[AgentGB]

I'm fairly sure it was fatal. Google "Albuquerque Police Shooting" and have a look.

Ah ok, i saw it on RT earlier tonight, but just fount it strange they ordered him to get up, and then hand cuffed him anyway, either seemed like a complete retarded way of doing things, or sadistic, so i thought they had to be using rubber bullets, ill google it now, and take a look.

[Sphere]

Funnily enough people say I sound like him a lot, he's comes from down the road to where I am.

I've seen your shin. You are paler than a LePen family reunion.

Also, the APD is under a Department of Justice investigation because they've been shooting about a dozen people a year which even in America is a lot for a city of 500k.

[Sharpe]

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[Phier]

So I googled...

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/...ed-5345380.php

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — In a rare show of displeasure with the troubled Police Department, Albuquerque Mayor Richard Berry said Monday it was wrong for the new police chief to say officers were justified in killing a homeless camper in the Sandia foothills.Berry also said he wants to bring in outsiders to help investigate the killing that came as the department is under federal scrutiny after notching three dozen shootings since 2010.
Berry criticized Police Chief Gorden Eden for making a premature judgment about the fatal shooting of 38-year-old James Boyd on March 16.
"The chief got asked an honest question and he gave an honest answer," Berry said. "Unfortunately, it was premature and a mistake, and that will not happen again."
Authorities said Boyd died after officers fired stun guns, bean bags and six live rounds. Eden said Boyd had threatened to kill officers and held onto knives as an unarmed K-9 officer approached him.
A helmet camera video showed Boyd gathering his belongings then turning away right before officers fired.
The video, released Friday and shown nationwide, drew scrutiny from elected officials and civil rights groups who believe officers overstepped their use of deadly force on a man who appeared to be struggling with mental illness.
"It was horrific when you see someone who has been shot," Berry said of the video.
The video showed an injured Boyd with two 5-inch knives in his hand when officers surrounded and handcuffed him.
Eden said the medical examiner has not yet determined if the bullets killed Boyd.
Berry said he has invited the Las Cruces Police Department to help with an independent five-agency investigation into the shooting. "They are from outside the metro area and it'll be good to get a sixth look at it," Berry said.
The shooting came as the Albuquerque Police Department is the subject of a U.S. Justice Department investigation involving the use of force.
Former Police Chief Ray Schultz retired last year amid controversy over the shootings, although Berry had been publicly supportive of Schultz. Berry named Eden as police chief last month following a national search.
Berry said he has informed the Justice Department about the latest shooting and the agency has access to any files it needs.
Some members of an Albuquerque police oversight panel were expected to hold a news conference Tuesday to formally ask for an investigation into the shooting independent of Albuquerque police and the Second Judicial District Attorney's Office.
"The shooting of James Boyd has shocked and appalled the citizens of Albuquerque," said Leonard Waites, a member of the Police Oversight Task Force. "We call for an immediate and independent investigation of this tragic killing."

Sounds like someone is in trouble. Please save the "come on America" for later.

http://the-libertarian.co.uk/police-...ity-in-the-uk/

With the case of Azelle Rodney’s 2005 killing at the hands of a police officer making headlines this week, the issue of police brutality is coming under renewed scrutiny in the eyes of the British public. After being pulled over by police in the north of London, a man by the name of Azelle Rodney was fatally shot six times in his car by a police officer, known only to the media as ‘E7’, who claims to have thought the deceased was reaching for a sub-machine gun. Not surprisingly, investigators found that Rodney was holding no such weapons at the time of the shooting.

“There was no lawful justification for shooting Azelle Rodney so as to kill him,” states High Court judge Sir Christopher Holland, in his report on the unlawful killing. “[The officer’s] accounts of what he saw are not to be accepted.”

I mean come on UK, its stories like this that makes the US think you are mad!

[Captain Jin]

There seems to be an alarming in crease in some of these shootings that leave me scratching my head. This is a case of total risk aversion on the part of the officer's. I understand the argument that you never know what's going to happen in a given situation and should always air on the safe side, but blasting a guy with a knife when you have a bunch of cops with rifles seems absurd to me. You accept a certain degree of risk when you take a job as a police officer and in this instance I just don't understand wtf.