Does Carthage looks as it did in Alpha?

[spanish_emperor]

can't believe people are actually saying the promo vid is actually in the game. Loo at the pic above my post to check the difference. The buildings are placed differently in the two comparisons; the port has buildings at the right but in the version we got - you know the one that was supposedly the release version - it has a wall heading smack onto the port complex. Not to mention in the promo vid they show many more units as Rome than you actually get in the historical battle and dozens of buildings can be climbed by soldiers of which there is just one or two in the highest developed cities. This includes the Carthaginian military port complex which in the vid can be accessed but in the historical battle is cut off by an imaginary wall; this also includes the acropolis of the city.

[PointOfViewGun]

No one claimed that it's the exact same city. I seriously don't get the idea of arguing against claims nobody made. It's certainly ridiculous to argue how buildings are placed differently in any scenario. The picture comparison once again shows the harbour to be of similar sizes while it was initially claimed by Dago Red to be 1/3 of what was shown pre-release.

[Dago Red]

Amazing how you can use the perspective argument about the walls when it suits you but then in this case when the image shows two areas you do not see the walls anymore. Look closely at the bottom "beta" image and you can see the scale difference. That image was taken so that the docks filled about the same screen area.... except you can see the WHOLE dockyard, and the walls, and outside the city walls in the beta.

Still think that's similar size? Try on those optics you were talking and try them on for size.

And where's all room for the ships I thought I could dock in my trade harbor, outside my epic military wharf? Well you can't even do that in game.

How about those men loading on ships? Can't do that in game.

Why do they all look so distinct and crisp at that distance? They don't in game.

Notice how there are men seemingly garrisoning buildings and strolling all over the city in these "actual in game footage" videos? Well, you can't go anywhere near half those buildings on the docks, other areas of cities are totally inaccessible, and there seems to be 1 single building you can garrison in the game, which only appears in 1 city template that I've found.

Look at those beautiful cypress trees lining the streets and gardened about the buildings. They aren't there in game.

Nice dynamic clouds, looks like a beautiful day! Hmm, where'd they go??

If you want to quibble with people over % of ground area the dock is that you can build in game, compared to what we were shown you can spend all day doing it for all I care. Yeah, you can build the Carthaginian dock. The real heart of the matter however, is that it is not anywhere near the same in scale or potential as all the stuff from the "actual in game footage" we saw -- which guess what -- is what people want to know when they wonder where this stuff is and how to get it in game.

The bottom line is the city that was delivered is so underwhelming that it feels dead, and is absolutely nothing like the vibrant, living and breathing city -- covered in foliage and graffiti with elephants that pick men up and throw them to their death -- that we were shown and was what a lot of people saw and bought the game for.

[PointOfViewGun]

Amazing how you can use the perspective argument about the walls when it suits you but then in this case when the image shows two areas you do not see the walls anymore. Look closely at the bottom "beta" image and you can see the scale difference. That image was taken so that the docks filled about the same screen area.... except you can see the WHOLE dockyard, and the walls, and outside the city walls in the beta.
Still think that's similar size? Try on those optics you were talking and try them on for size.
And where's all room for the ships I thought I could dock in my trade harbor, outside my epic military wharf? Well you can't even do that in game.
How about those men loading on ships? Can't do that in game.
Why do they all look so distinct and crisp at that distance? They don't in game.
Notice how there are men seemingly garrisoning buildings and strolling all over the city in these "actual in game footage" videos? Well, you can't go anywhere near half those buildings on the docks, other areas of cities are totally inaccessible, and there seems to be 1 single building you can garrison in the game, which only appears in 1 city template that I've found.
Look at those beautiful cypress trees lining the streets and gardened about the buildings. They aren't there in game.
Nice dynamic clouds, looks like a beautiful day! Hmm, where'd they go??
If you want to quibble with people over % of ground area the dock is that you can build in game, compared to what we were shown you can spend all day doing it for all I care. Yeah, you can build the Carthaginian dock. The real heart of the matter however, is that it is not anywhere near the same in scale or potential as all the stuff from the "actual in game footage" we saw -- which guess what -- is what people want to know when they wonder where this stuff is and how to get it in game.
The bottom line is the city that was delivered is so underwhelming that it feels dead, and is absolutely nothing like the vibrant, living and breathing city -- covered in foliage and graffiti with elephants that pick men up and throw them to their death -- that we were shown and was what a lot of people saw and bought the game for.

First of all, admit that you were dead wrong when you claimed that the harbour was 1/3 of the size compared to how it was in the pre-release picture.

Second, acknowledge that the city in your initial picture looked considerably smaller specifically due to difference in distance to the city the picture was taken.

Third, realize that the Alpha and Beta pictures are not taken from the same distance to the harbour as well causing a similar difference in perspective of size.

offensive order removed-Garb.

The harbours are pretty much the same size and the city as a whole is only roughly 10% smaller. There is no 1/3 size difference you talk about. CA's promotional picture or the gameplay video does not show a vastly larger Carthage. It's getting seriously ridiculous hearing the same purple prose over and over again...

[Dago Red]

I've said my bit. I'll just paste this part, again.

If you want to quibble with people over % of ground area the dock is that you can build in game, compared to what we were shown you can spend all day doing it for all I care. Yeah, you can build the Carthaginian dock. The real heart of the matter however, is that it is not anywhere near the same in scale or potential as all the stuff from the "actual in game footage" we saw -- which guess what -- is what people want to know when they wonder where this stuff is and how to get it in game.

[Garbarsardar]

Split from thread about building in Carthage that has been derailed by all this. Now you can discuss the pre-Alpha and whatnot, but please do not derail this one too, by disruptive posting.
Thanks,
Garb.

[Sir_Pee_Alot]

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Totally different, Stop defending it....

[goldenboy2]

Obvious bullshots like everywhere else you look.

[Shaggy1973]

Sorry who cares if it looks exactly like it did in beta?

Its close enough to make me happy, they didn't 'bait and switch' as everyone likes to accuse. Is this really thread worthy.

Newsflash - stuff changes from alpha/beta.

If you'd like to start a thread as to how this Carthage is inferior to the one from beta we might all be more interested....

[SunWulf]

It looks like they probably realized the average guy's computer wouldn't be able to run super awesome graphics and on the scale of the alpha so they nerfed it.

[johan_d]

It doesnt matter to me: Ceterum autem censeo Carthaginem esse delendam
Oh, and the Lybia also, they harras me to no end..

[Darth_Revan]

Stuff should look better when going from alpha to beta, not downgraded.

[Dago Red]

Stuff should look better when going from alpha to beta, not downgraded.

To put it mildly, yes. Yes. YES.

[baptistus]

Extrem setting, cathage in the historical battle (high level). I tried to take screenshots at the same place of the alpa/beta screens

Alpha vs patch 10

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beta vs patch 10

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I don't care if buildings are at the same place or if harbor have exactly the same size. I only care the alpha footage was a false advertising. They spit in the face of the consumners, nothing more. I will always remerber CA alpha footage are only lie, false advertising, and a shame.
And beta are still have some better textures, better water effect and a far better LOD settings.

[jamreal18]

Extrem setting, cathage in the historical battle (high level). I tried to take screenshots at the same place of the alpa/beta screens

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Alpha vs patch 10

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

beta vs patch 10

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I don't care if buildings are at the same place or if harbor have exactly the same size. I only care the alpha footage was a false advertising. They spit in the face of the consumners, nothing more. I will always remerber CA alpha footage are only lie, false advertising, and a shame.
And beta are still have some better textures, better water effect and a far better LOD settings.

There are some buildings in alpha that vanished in patch 10...
The reflections in water from beta has been removed in patch 10...

Remember, this game's recommended spec is directx11...

[Rittsy]

I don't care if buildings are at the same place or if harbor have exactly the same size. I only care the alpha footage was a false advertising. They spit in the face of the consumners, nothing more. I will always remerber CA alpha footage are only lie, false advertising, and a shame.
And beta are still have some better textures, better water effect and a far better LOD settings.

There's a reason they mark it as Alpha. Things change. If it wasn't going to change it would just be the final product.

[Dago Red]

As for false advertising...well...it was pre-alpha footage. It should ALWAYS be taken with a grain of salt.

There's a reason they mark it as Alpha. Things change. If it wasn't going to change it would just be the final product.

Also many players want to have Rome 2 to look like Rome 1 ..

Attention: No.


There has been some confusion. This thread title is slightly misleading (I did not make it). What I and others are saying does not have to do with the "alpha" screenshots seen in the other thread and somewhere in this one, but the GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE trailer released by CA and given to all major media to push out on the public as just that GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE. Look again atthe OP again for the comparison.

You may also look at the alpha / beta screen comparison someone did and see what was lost (and the quotes by CA about them) but my post was specifically about the clearly labeled and clearly sold (by everyone from PC gamer to IGN, and everyone in between) as a real gameplay footage trailer.



That is the screen comparison below. and the video is here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OHV628oGiU


Added this to the OP too....

[Raining Red]

Attention: No.


There has been some confusion. This thread title is slightly misleading (I did not make it). What I and others are saying does not have to do with the "alpha" screenshots seen in the other thread and somewhere in this one, but the GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE trailer released by CA and given to all major media to push out on the public as just that GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE. Look again atthe OP again for the comparison.

You may also look at the alpha / beta screen comparison someone did and see what was lost (and the quotes by CA about them) but my post was specifically about the clearly labeled and clearly sold (by everyone from PC gamer to IGN, and everyone in between) as a real gameplay footage trailer.
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At the time the video was released, it WAS real gameplay footage. No lie there. We can see from the full gameplay demo of the battle of Carthage that the game indeed did look like that during the Pre-Alpha/alpha stage, which is subject to change. Either you have to accept as a consumer that all software changes during its development, or ignore all promotional material until the game has gone gold and has been locked down.

[zeroFreeze]

At the time the video was released, it WAS real gameplay footage. No lie there. We can see from the full gameplay demo of the battle of Carthage that the game indeed did look like that during the Pre-Alpha/alpha stage, which is subject to change. Either you have to accept as a consumer that all software changes during its development, or ignore all promotional material until the game has gone gold and has been locked down.

^ This sums everything up. Any game developer at E3, or in any pre-release game trailer in that area of the development cycle will do the same thing. It is indeed ingame footage that is being generated by the engine. It is ideally a mini tech demo to say, "hey here's what we can do with this engine". Look at the E3 gameplay demos for games like Halo 2, Crysis, etc there are plenty to find. They were all revealed with 'ingame footage/gameplay footage'.

As for the 'the game will look much better' quote, it is answered within its own quote. There indeed would most likely have been assets/animations/other things missing from the game at that point in time. For all we know there were only 2 death animations that were present at that point in time, and now there are more.

[Dago Red]

It actually looks a lot better than last time I looked at it, even if it looks nothing like the vibrant living city we were shown. It's like the more I look the less I care, because really there are so many bigger fish to fry in this sea of disappointment.

If the sieges actually worked and the game was deeply immersive I wouldn't care much that we were shown something that isn't there, that it would only get better an eventually "look, way way better than this!"