Bar owner puts up sign calling gun owners "d-bags" and "losers"

[Nakura]

A firestorm of backlash has been mounting against a South Carolina pub that put a derogatory sign in its store window telling gun owners to keep out.

“NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED,” the sign warns. “If you are such a loser that you feel a need to carry a gun with you when you go out, I do not want your business. Douchebag.”

The owner of the pub, who would only give the name Pete, describes himself as a conservative Democrat, not the “big-ass liberal” people are painting him to be.

Pete told The Washington Times that he’s a big supporter of gun rights and has had a concealed weapons permit since 2001, but doesn’t feel guns have any place in a college town.

As far as the sign, which was apparently only temporary, Pete said he regretted the language he used.

I’m sorry I used that language,” he told the Times. “It just came out wrong because I was frustrated.”

Pete said the local community has rallied behind his pub, but the national backlash has caused him to take his phones off the hook.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-owners-lose/

The man hasn't given a real apology for his statement yet, as he only apologized "for the harsh language," but not for the statement itself. He then claims that he himself is a gun rights supporter and has a concealed carry permit, but provides no evidence of this. Do you think the widespread backlash and boycott against his business is justified?

[Adar]

You forgot the option "I think people got the right to boycott but I prefer to get drunk in an environment without guns so I'll go there".

[Hazzard]

If he doesn't want people who carry concealed guns in his bar that's fine, but the language isn't something you should be putting on the front of a bar in public. It offends too many people and you get rubbish like this. And if you think people should be allowed to carry concealed guns then don't buy there, it's your choice. I wouldn't eat at my local cafe if the owner decided he was going to bar all gays from entry for example.

[mishkin]

I really liked his statement. Shame having read his later explanations.

[Vanoi]

This isn't really worth a thread in the mudpit.

[squirel]

People being offended....

[Phier]

Pete told The Washington Times that he’s a big supporter of gun rights and has had a concealed weapons permit since 2001,

“NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED,” the sign warns. “If you are such a loser that you feel a need to carry a gun with you when you go out, I do not want your business. Douchebag.”

I see three likely scenarios....

He's lying about supporting it and just realized that business owners should keep their politics to themselves. As M. Jordan said "Republican's buy shoes".

There was a particular individual he was pissed at when he made the sign. A specific douchebag.

This thread gets closed for not really being all that interesting.

[justicar5]

I see three likely scenarios....

He's lying about supporting it and just realized that business owners should keep their politics to themselves. As M. Jordan said "Republican's buy shoes".

There was a particular individual he was pissed at when he made the sign. A specific douchebag.

This thread gets closed for not really being all that interesting.

I'd go with a fourth option: he thinks guns and booze don't mix, which is fair.

But I'd give you point 3 as well.

[fkizz]

People being offended....

I don't see a problem with this. Sure, his language was a little over the top, but only people looking for something to get offended at would actually care.

In PC society being offended is power. The more prone you are to being offended, the more the PC society thinking will give you privilege and power. So only normal some people will look at things to feel offended at.

[justicar5]

In PC society being offended is power. The more prone you are to being offended, the more the PC society thinking will give you privilege and power. So only normal some people will look at things to feel offended at.

Yea, because THAT makes sense, get back in the bunker, and don't forget the tin foil.

[Farnan]

I have no idea why he put that sign up. Even in Texas and Oklahoma it's illegal to bring firearms into bars

[Facupay]

I didn't know you were allowed to bring guns to bars in the US.

Seems like the wild west.

[Farnan]

I didn't know you were allowed to bring guns to bars in the US.

Seems like the wild west.

Your not.

Even in Texas it's illegal:

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u....46.htm#46.035

Edit: Nevemind, South Carolina just legalized it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4768884.html

However they can't drink: http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/225...nd-restaurants

[Facupay]

Your not.

Even in Texas it's illegal:

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u....46.htm#46.035

Edit: Nevemind, South Carolina just legalized it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4768884.html

Then the Bar Owner's move was one of the most stupid things I've seen in a long time.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Then the Bar Owner's move was one of the most stupid things I've seen in a long time.

The law allows bar owners and restaurant owners to set their own rules.

Honestly, this man isn't calling gun owners d-bags and losers. He owns guns himself according to news reports on this. He is calling anyone that brings a gun to a bar with the intent of getting drunk d-bags and losers. And I totally agree with him.

[Phier]

The law allows bar owners and restaurant owners to set their own rules.

Honestly, this man isn't calling gun owners d-bags and losers. He owns guns himself according to news reports on this. He is calling anyone that brings a gun to a bar with the intent of getting drunk d-bags and losers. And I totally agree with him.

“NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED,” the sign warns. “If you are such a loser that you feel a need to carry a gun with you when you go out, I do not want your business. Douchebag.”

Only thats not exactly what he said now is it? He done goofed.

[Gaidin]

How is this a discussion. Sounds like he did a moronic thing and is reaping the rewards.

Edit: Nevemind, South Carolina just legalized it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4768884.html

However they can't drink: http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/225...nd-restaurants

The problem here is that the people with CCW licenses that go in with a weapon still can't drink, but if it's concealed...

Does the staff get to ask for demonstrated proof that no weapon is being carried and the responsibility of not serving the drinks on the establishment? Or is the responsibility of following such a law and not drinking on the one carrying the concealed weapon?

[Love Mountain]

The problem here is that the people with CCW licenses that go in with a weapon still can't drink, but if it's concealed...

Does the staff get to ask for demonstrated proof that no weapon is being carried and the responsibility of not serving the drinks on the establishment? Or is the responsibility of following such a law and not drinking on the one carrying the concealed weapon?

Idk. I think that it is the responsibility of the individual. It's pretty invasive and inconvenient to be patted down every time you enter bar. I'd oppose making it the barowner's responsibility. That just... goes against the mood of the business.

I think that the owner of the establishment is perfectly within his rights to refuse service to those who refuse to leave their guns at home, and if he wants to go as far as check every individual that enters, that's within his right as well. It's also within the rights of other individuals to simply boycott his bar if they're disgruntled about the attitude his sign presents, not to mention the inhospitable nature of the distrust he presents to those entering his bar.

[Gaidin]

Idk. I think that it is the responsibility of the individual. It's pretty invasive and inconvenient to be patted down every time you enter bar. I'd oppose making it the barowner's responsibility. That just... goes against the mood of the business.

I think that the owner of the establishment is perfectly within his rights to refuse service to those who refuse to leave their guns at home, and if he wants to go as far as check every individual that enters, that's within his right as well. It's also within the rights of other individuals to simply boycott his bar if they're disgruntled about the attitude his sign presents, not to mention the inhospitable nature of the distrust he presents to those entering his bar.

Yea, but it comes down to the wording of the law, use of alcohol seems to come down to the one carrying the firearm. That's a separate section from where weapons are listed as allowed to be carried, for which bars and places that serve alcohol are not on the list. The question is if someone will try to pin that on the establishment in court as a defense.

[Farnan]

No they just legalized it in South Carolina. This story now makes more sense.

However instead of the letter the owner should have put up this sign (which is legally binding):