Poll on the Legions

[Selea]

Since there are some people that seem to don't like the numbered Legions since for them "it breaks immersion" then I will provide a poll on what you user think is best. There are five options:

1. I like the system as it is
This is for those that like Legions as they are now, with the number and numbered standards etc. This is the system used also by RS2 and that people admired so much, but now that's in DEI it seems it is instantly turned into bogus, who knows why...

2. Use regional names for the Legions (i.e. for example Legions recruitable in Syria will get Syrian Legionaries) but keep the Standards, visual appearances and attributes
This is for those that don't like the numbers on the Legions but like the looks of them and the standards

3. Use Regional names for the Legions and use generic Standards for them while keeping the specific Legion visuals and attributes
This is for those that wants things as in point 3 but plus generic standards for the troops while maintaining the visual differences between the Legions (depending on type)

4. Use Regional names and generic visuals for all of them but keep the regional attributes (as "cold resistance" etc.)
This is for the people that prefer the standard Legionaries but like the varied attributes in the Legions depending on where they are recruited.

5. Bring back the old generic Legionaries
This is for the people that preferred the old generic Legionaries.

Depending on the results of the poll we will decide what to do with the main mod and also to create a specific sub-mod for another popular option. So be sincere and vote what you think is best.

P.S: If the option is not in the list then it means it is not an option, so please pick only one of those five.


EDIT:

We decided to go with option n. 3

This thread is now closed

[romanni]

2. Use regional names for the Legions , but keep the Standards and visual appearances.

[eNVee]

Well, I can't vote in the poll itself (don't have enough posts made, I guess), so I'll just leave my vote like this.

3. Use Regional names for the Legions and use generic Standards for them while keeping the specific Legion visuals

[UsulDaNeriak]

As explained in this other thread, legions were never tied to regions, if it comes to recruitment. If a legion moved from Province A to Province B, the legion still could recruit new cohorts onsite with the name, signa and paintings of this legion!

In a perfect mod, I could raise 10 legions in Italy and all of them would look slightly different, but all cohorts of a single legion look the same. And if I raise new cohorts to refill my roster, they are looking identical to the old cohorts I already have in this legion, wherever I am on the world and on condition that roman citizens are available.

As long as this historically accurate solution is not possible, I would prefer, if you re-introduce the standard legionaries for all regions, in addition to your specific and regional legions/cohorts. Thats the most easy compromise, imho. This would not harm the guys which like the current solution, but give the guys which dislike regional legions / cohort a chance to play their game.

I recommend to add "in addition" to your last option in the poll above, in order to avoid misunderstanding of this great option. Option 5 is not a conflicting alternative to Option 1, it is supplement to Option 1!

[Selea]

As long as this historically accurate solution is not possible, I would prefer, if you re-introduce the standard legionaries for all regions, in addition to your specific and regional legions/cohorts. Thats the most easy compromise, imho. This would not harm the guys which like the current solution, but give the guys which dislike regional legions / cohort a chance to play their game.

Sorry but that would be completely redundant.

What would be the point to have two same exact legionaries types, one "standard" and the other regional? It would make no sense at all.

I understand giving options to players but not at the detriment of usability and coherency.

[UsulDaNeriak]

Sorry but that would be completely redundant.

What would be the point to have two same exact legionaries types, one "standard" and the other regional? It would make no sense at all.

I understand giving options to players but not at the detriment of usability and coherency.

Of course they are not the same. They are fully different. One is regional and does not fit to any other legion but the regional one. The other is standardized globally and fits into every legion. I am sure, you got the core message after this long other thread: named cohorts are a bad thing and must be avoided!

If you recruit 3 legions in Italy at the beginning of your campaign, which makes a lot of sense, all three legions are made of Legio V Alaudae cohorts. And this is nonsense! If I have the option to recruit vanilla standard legionaries, I would prefer that. And I could recruit them all over the world, if I have a barrack over there. This way I can avoid to play with legions, which are a wild and unhistorical mix of different cohorts.

[Zonac]

i think i like option 4 the most but it is your mod so i think you should dicide it with your time what you like the most

[Selea]

i think i like option 4 the most but it is your mod so i think you should dicide it with your time what you like the most

I asked users just because I want your opinion on the matter.

If I wanted to do just what I cared for since this is our mod I would have neither asked and done so (as we do for other things).

Since this seems to be an important matter for some of you I will make a democratic poll on the matter and let you decide what you prefer (naturally with limitations decided by us and in fact I listed 5 solutions for you to pick one; things like having standard Legionaries + Regional Legionaries is something I would never do no matter what so the choice is not contemplated in the list of possible options).

[UsulDaNeriak]

Since this seems to be an important matter for some of you I will make a democratic poll on the matter and let you decide what you prefer

Actally democracy does not mean dicature of the majority, but integration of minorities.

I appreciate, that you like to get a more clear feedback from your DeI-Community. But a good game should satisfy more than one customer group. Not everyone, but more than one. Some people like the idea of regional legions. Others dislike it. You should look for a solution, that satisfies both! Regardless how this poll ends. A poll is a nice tool to get information, but it does not work very well as an excuse.

Actually I liked the idea of Dresden to have a submod, without regional legions.

[Selea]

Actally democracy does not mean dicature of the majority, but integration of minorities.

I appreciate, that you like to get a more clear feedback from your DeI-Community. But a good game should satisfy more than one customer group. Not everyone, but more than one. Some people like the idea of regional legions. Others dislike it. You should look for a solution, that satisfies both! Regardless how this poll ends. A poll is a nice tool to get information, but it does not work very well as an excuse.

In fact the poll is not mean to just do the choice who wins but to gather feedback.

[Zonac]

Actually I liked the idea of Dresden to have a submod, without regional legions.

That seems for me the best solution too. but it would also mean the most work for DeI ..:/ ^^

[|Quintus Sertorius|]

What about Change the Legions to Regional names but keep the Standards and visuals but keep the attributes ?

And why not do both? Keep the current legions for people that like them but also add the above mentioned option that I wrote. The unique legions are already in place, so if people really want the regional ones just add them besides the unique ones..

[Selea]

What about Change the Legions to Regional names but keep the Standards and visuals but keep the attributes ?

That's already in the list and it is number 2 (if you meant keep standards, visuals and attributes) or 3 (if you meant changing Standards and keeping visuals and attributes).

And why not do both? Keep the current legions for people that like them but also add the above mentioned option that I wrote. The unique legions are already in place, so if people really want the regional ones just add them besides the unique ones..

Please people, you have 5 different options listed, pick one option inside the list that you think is more appropriate.

Duplicates will never happen so please let's not discuss things that I will never allow to happen (because it doesn't make sense, it is redundant and aesthetically awful). I listed 5 possible solutions for you, pick the one you prefer BETWEEN those. If the option is not contemplated then it means it's not an option.

[|Quintus Sertorius|]

Thank you, i've chosen option 2 as it seems the most viable option to me. I do like it the way it is now however, but do also like the option of creating my own legions.

[UsulDaNeriak]

Duplicates will never happen so please let's not discuss things that I will never allow to happen (because it doesn't make sense, it is redundant and aesthetically awful).

Well, I guess, to have the standard legionary available in addition is the most easy solution. But I see, that you are not willing to go this route.

Under these bad conditions, I don't like to insist in option 5, because this would mean, that all people, which like the RS2-model would loose their option.

So my wish is, whatever you decide at the end, please avoid named cohorts (by legion) by all means! This is by far the worst element of the RS2-recruitment model, because you can't implement recruitment centers for more than one legion properly, if your cohorts are named, e.g. your first three legions Legio I-III Italica are all made of Cohors Legionis V Alaudae.

And a lot of people are playing this way. Because the romans actually recruited all their legions from Italy until late republic. And also in the game as it is, it makes a lot of sense anyways, to recruit your first legions in Italica. With named cohorts you always run into a naming desaster, which kills immersion.

[Woodler]

I am not able to vote, what is the reason?

[Woodler]

I am not able to vote, what is the reason?

If i could vote, this will be my preferred setup:
3. Use Regional names for the Legions and use generic Standards for them while keeping the specific Legion visuals and attributes

[skysyk]

4. Use Regional names and generic visuals for all of them


The current system takes away "freedom of choice" in recruitment and naming of legionaries. Also i don't see a sense in those fixed recruitment regions. Legions where not recruitet on a "Go to Syria and raise a Legion there!" System

[Selea]

The current system takes away "freedom of choice" in recruitment and naming of legionaries. Also i don't see a sense in those fixed recruitment regions. Legions where not recruitet on a "Go to Syria and raise a Legion there!" System

Good and fine, what I find amusing, however, is that when we started DEI almost ALL of you continued insisting on wanting the Legions as in RS2 for Rome. Now that they are here, suddenly all of you now wants it no more and preferred the "standard Legionaries". RS2 was considered by many of you the "standard" for how to do Rome well, but now it magically turned into "what not to do".

It never cease to amuse me how much you really have no idea of what you really want. If we don't do A you complain because A is lacking BUT if we do A then you complain because A is in and should not be there.

I would really like just for once for you to be on our side and understand how difficult it is sometimes to keep patience. It will much probably happen that when 0.9 will be out then also AOR actually sucks and EB did all wrong...

[UsulDaNeriak]

Good and fine, what I find amusing, however, is that when we started DEI almost ALL of you continued insisting on wanting the Legions as in RS2 for Rome.

Surely not all of us. I am tired to counter every unreasonable proposal on forums. I guess you feel my pain.

The RS2 mod always had the problem of named cohorts. Otherwise this mod was better than vanilla. But just because the great RS2 implemted a suboptimal solution, does not mean, that you can't do it better with DeI. Does'nt it?