Patch#10 Beta, LoD & terraforming game

[DramaBelli]

yep it's happened already with patch 7 (correct me if I'm wrong). The "difference" here is that CA should have "unlocked" in game settings limit; this means performance should be more related concretely to the settings you chose (this means: if now you put all on extreme in a medium-low end machine you should have worst performance since there's no automatic re-setting of the game).

In sieges at last this LOD does not give any performance improvements ...at the opposite I've seen many lags, old bug with camera moving quitely. Somtimes I solved it with switching from radar map to battle map and viceversa. Anyway this prob in siege is not relevant since the game is already compromised by the AI passive not attacking my city

[alQamar]

yep it's happened already with patch 7 (correct me if I'm wrong). The "difference" here is that CA should have "unlocked" in game settings limit; this means performance should be more related concretely to the settings you chose (this means: if now you put all on extreme in a medium-low end machine you should have worst performance since there's no automatic re-setting of the game).

In sieges at last this LOD does not give any performance improvements ...at the opposite I've seen many lags, old bug with camera moving quitely. Somtimes I solved it with switching from radar map to battle map and viceversa. Anyway this prob in siege is not relevant since the game is already compromised by the AI passive not attacking my city

I can confirm that LOD issues exist since release my benchmark videos proved that. But as Dramabelli said it's getting worse since patch 7 which was ironically the first patch aimed for better performance and indeed was improving it a bit on special presets.

My GTX780 came in today so I loaded the BETA patch and Radious mod patch to match. What a disappointment. I have lower fps on my 780 then I was getting on my 680. 15 to 20 fps difference. Makes me want to return the 780 and reload everything like it was before the patches.

A Simpsons " ha ha " on that You have been warned

Still I think you'll keep it for other games, right?

[Sir Furlong]

Oh my Lord that's ugly. I don't think I've noticed anything that bad before in this game. I guess we can hope they fix it before the actual release of the patch.

[OSDEA7]

My GTX780 came in today so I loaded the BETA patch and Radious mod patch to match. What a disappointment. I have lower fps on my 780 then I was getting on my 680. 15 to 20 fps difference. Makes me want to return the 780 and reload everything like it was before the patches.

[Barritus]

I cringe now whenever I read in the patch notes something regarding "optimization". Unfortunately that has come to mean graphics downgrading. I didn't have any issues at release like a lot of you folks did. Although the issues with mechanics and AI did bother me, I felt that the game was visually pleasing at the time. It was just awesome to see my armies arrayed on the battlefield. Now the graphics are just meh and with the LOD problem...more meh. While I understand the patch is in beta I have a feeling the LOD was intentional and is here to stay. Not the quality and progressiveness I would expect from a TW game.

[HorseArcher]

Is there some sort of a "surgery" going on with R2TW? That's my guess for now, like "gutting out" the game, to find culprits of performance problems. If not, then I don't know what's going on. Maybe they hired the cleaning lady to fix bugs?
Maybe the same one who did this?

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[Ganossa]

Added to the OP

"<effect quality even worse than in shogun 2 now>"

Brought to attention in patch testing by Spec74::http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/123637-CA-please-STOP-reducing-the-level-of-detail-on-extreme-graphics-settings.?

[Humble Warrior]

Added to the OP

"<effect quality even worse than in shogun 2 now>"

Brought to attention in patch testing by Spec74::http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/123637-CA-please-STOP-reducing-the-level-of-detail-on-extreme-graphics-settings.?

You mean this had to be bought to CA`s attention?

Oh, right, they don`t test their games at all before releasing to us. Even beta`s should be basically tested in house first.

Can anyone please tell me when you can vote on these polls?
Is it reaching a certain number of posts?

Yes. Can`t remember how many.

[OSDEA7]

Does anyone have this setup or close to it and if they do what kind of performance are you getting since patch 10? FPS average on ultra settings?

ASUS Z87-Pro -LGA1150 Intel Z87 Chipset
Intel Core i5-4670K Quad-Core Desktop Processor 3.4 GHZ 6 MB
Corsair Vengeance Pro Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600 MHZ
EVGA GTX780 SC
WD Velociraptor WD1000DHTZ 1TB 3.5" SATA Hard Drive

[Mr.Freud]

Hi, yes we know about this and we're already working for a fix.

Thanks for your help.

PaoloCA

now this is good news

[Baleur]

Hahaha this is awful. And still no proper AA in sight.
How did they ruin the Shogun 2 improvements so badly?

Seriously these are some awful LOD models, they don't even have the same dimensions as the full model in some instances (like the first long example in the video).
Sigh. Being a modeller at CA must be like being an AI programmer there, you can do a laughably amateurish job and still have 100% job security.
Paradise work environment. Sign me up.

[stevehoos]

Hahaha this is awful. And still no proper AA in sight.
How did they ruin the Shogun 2 improvements so badly?

Seriously these are some awful LOD models, they don't even have the same dimensions as the full model in some instances (like the first long example in the video).
Sigh. Being a modeller at CA must be like being an AI programmer there, you can do a laughably amateurish job and still have 100% job security.
Paradise work environment. Sign me up.

Yep, quite poor, just like most of the concepts in the game. Laughable!

[Butan]

Maybe they should create 2 new graphical settings :

- GOD AWFUL (may integrate all options up to Extreme) : this would be the setting where they put their precious new LOD levels

and

- Average (above Extreme) : for those who own a computer capable of handling Shogun 2...

[Emperor Domitianus]

This effect is really annoying.
There is nothing to do to optimize but to let people understand that if the game slows down they have to tone down the settings.
Making this terrible effect really ruin the game.

[Kahvipannu]

Why are they doing this? The game run fine for me after release, and looked gorgeous. Why they force these changes to everyone? This is... against common sense really. It is like they do not trust gamers to have the IQ to set theyr own settings. It was the same thing at launch, game ignoring your own settings, and benchmark being more taxing than the actual game. It really makes you feel your treated as a dummy. I sure do hope this is unintentional, and it is a bug.

[SaintLunatic777]

if this new LOD thing stays i'm done this is just horrible & ugly & i will never play this game again my computer can run everything on extreme with 30fps wtf are they thinking ruining the graphics???....

[Ganossa]

The current update increased LOD distance. The effects are still the same but at least they are in further distance now! Thats the right way to go
Still hope for an option to tweak it myself in the settings.

[ysl]

My personal way to deal with LoD is letting a certain level of model use the distance of its next-level model, and on top of that, only allowing the use of model up to level-3 (or 3rd best model).
For example, if the LoD for one kind of building is like: 50m for level-1(the best), 100m for level-2(2nd best), 300m for level-3, infinity for level-4,
then with some change of code, it would be like: 100m for level-1, 300m for level-2, infinity for level-3.
As a result, the model swapping happens farther and less noticeable and objects look generally better. This comes with fps drop, though.

[alQamar]

Hi guys! There are new links on the topic Lucifer
official forum:
http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...-quot-LOD-quot
Steam:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/214950...564648091313/?

I have recorded a new video and uploaded it on youtube based on patch 10 final. Hope you can stand my awful commenting but I hope as long we speak about on topic it is okay.
In the video I've recorded and commented EXTREME preset and additionally ULTRA preset, which now turn out to be not longer valid names in case of quality imho.



Please note you possibly need to watch this in fullHD (1920x1080) and full screen to get a better impression on the details.

Due to the massive quality loss on recoding you will not see the issue on a lower resolution than 1080p. I also found out that the very visible problems on the rocks / cliffs disappeared due to recoding, so the video got very much unsharp compared to the source I had on my computer. If you have problems to recognize the issues, please mind the situations and run the benchmark yourself.


Enjoy.


Can anyone of you remember the time when CA showed us the siege of Carthage in "alpha stage" telling us about how cool this game run regardless our rigs? Yes they did and they explained this by the fact they have introduced much more LOD into Rome 2 compared to any previous Total War.

This was the history in a short. Now the present

[IVIX1]

Hi guys! There are new links on the topic Lucifer
official forum:
http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...-quot-LOD-quot
Steam:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/214950...564648091313/?

I have recorded a new video and uploaded it on youtube based on patch 10 final. Hope you can stand my awful commenting but I hope as long we speak about on topic it is okay.
In the video I've recorded and commented EXTREME preset and additionally ULTRA preset, which now turn out to be not longer valid names in case of quality imho.



Please note you possible need to watch this in fullHD (1920x1080) and full screen to get a better impression on the details.

Enjoy.

PS: the video is still in conversion please allow Youtube to finish work here and try to load the video in about 2 minutes of time.

"This video is unavailable" when trying to play.