RTR vs EB

[Perdiccas]

hi,

i don't know how many years I've been playing EB on my Mac. But I finally got a bit bored and decided to try a different mod. Tried to download Alexander, but couldn't for some reason. Then I managed to get RTR to work.

I've played it for the last week. I have to say, I am very disappointed. I miss a lot of the EB family traits and details. I 'm playing as Makedonia--- I own Krete and Rhodes but cannot recruit Kretan archers or Rhodian slingers-- wtf?

I do like that there seems to be more seaborne invasions.. and the AI is more aggressive in battles.

But I'm already considering going back to EB or really trying to figure out why Alexander won't download.

anyway, this isn't really a flame. Maybe I'm missing something. Anybody else have any similar experiences when playing the 2 different mods?

thanks

[yuezhi]

The story is pretty much the same everywhere:
after EB, RTW is never the same much less satisfactory.

The only way to break out of this monotony is to play something extremely different like ETW.

[Boriak]

The story is pretty much the same everywhere:
after EB, RTW is never the same much less satisfactory.

Guilty.

The only way to break out of this monotony is to play something extremely different like ETW.

I tend to play Mount and Blade in between though right now I went back to Assassin's Creed 1. Different genre so it doesn't really count.

[yuezhi]

Guilty.

[Bcman]

Whenever I get bored of EB I play something that's 360 of what EB is. Usually Napoleon TGW mod, or EUIV

[Perdiccas]

update: i re-installed EB. I tried to play a campaign using BI, but for some reason, could not start a campaign (could not access the starting screen).... thats ok, i loaded it on RTW and started a Baktria campaign last night.

[Leonidas II]

What is the the difference between running EB on RTW.exe or BI.exe ?

[Perdiccas]

What is the the difference between running EB on RTW.exe or BI.exe ?

hi,
not sure with EB... the game loaded with BI, but when i tried to start a NEW CAMPAIGN, there were no factions to choose from--- the list was absent.

when I played RTR with BI, I had the night battles, the AI seemed more aggressive in battles, lots more AI ships and seabourne invasions.

[Ownager]

You can do the same for EB right? Night battles? How do you enable them?

[Perdiccas]

You can do the same for EB right? Night battles? How do you enable them?

thats one thing i wanted with BI, but as above, wasn't able to load a game with EB on BI

[Kanov]

in the EB FAQ, there's a link on how to make EB work with BI exe

[Ownager]

Ok, thanks.

[Samariten]

Thats the EB "curse" once hit by it you cant get rid of it. Play around with some mods for MTWII like Stainless steel or Third Age : Total War they are rather neat or Shogun 2 as Hattori clan : ) .

[Kanov]

I haven't played RTR since before EB was out. It was the first "realism" mod I played.

I then switched to SPQR, some of the best battles I've had. They felt truly epic with multiple armies each time, relentless AI and the map has this zoomed in look that makes it look bigger than EB at least.

Tried Extended cultures for a while after not playing rtw at all for years. It is a nice mod that doesn't feel too different from main game. I mean it is very different but the shock of learning new mechanics is not as big as EB and the factions are for the most part the same ones as in vanilla.

I would like if in EB the map was more zoomed in, with focus on the adriatic area. I could do with out Baktria, Saka rauka etc. You get filthy rich quick too. Maybe the upkeep is not high enough for units.

I might try SPQR again once I get a new machine, I read there's going to be a new version and I need my fix for epic battles.

But yeah, the detail on EB with everything from units' skins, traits, retinues, events, the character names etc is unmatched.

[Brihentin13]

I had the same experience. I stopped playing RTR pretty quickly. Another post recommended trying something completely different, and I agree. You're not going to beat EB in the historical mod department. Try something unrealistic or fantasy oriented. There's always talk about The Third Age mod, and I personally love Hyrule Total War.

EB is the best mod in history...so try something outside of history!

[demagogos nicator]

I must disagree about RTR. Have you tried RTR VII (which is the last official version of the mod)?

RTR VII may lack in comparation with EB in trait system and barbarian unit variation but on the other hand it gives great additional strategic expirience in having huge map covering geographicaly smaller area. This smaller geograpical scope of the map allows the mod to include the factions which would not be otherwise represented ( e.g. Achaian and Aitolian league, Sparta, Noricum, Kingdom of Ardeae). Miniregions and minifactions in my opininion also greatly contributes to the game. I just remember my first campaign as Carthage. The conquest of Sicily changed from taking over three or four settlements which is the case in other mods into epic ten years (40 turns) long war when I first have to fight the forces of 3 different factions involved (+ free peoples).

I also do nto really sea where RTR VII lacks in history or realism in comparation wiht EB. IMO, both the campaign map and units are well researched and well designed and I am pretty sure you wont find fantasy unit in RTR VII (well maybe except Carthaginian Sacred Band). I also think that 40 turn recruitment limits on the most elite units an battle mechanics feels very realistic in RTR.

I personally find very satisfying to play both EB and RTR and enjoying the best what each of them has to offer

[Theodotos I]

Haha, I remember this debate taking place when I first joined The Org, years back. The more things change. . .

[Kanov]

I must disagree about RTR. Have you tried RTR VII (which is the last official version of the mod)?

RTR VII may lack in comparation with EB in trait system and barbarian unit variation but on the other hand it gives great additional strategic expirience in having huge map covering geographicaly smaller area. This smaller geograpical scope of the map allows the mod to include the factions which would not be otherwise represented ( e.g. Achaian and Aitolian league, Sparta, Noricum, Kingdom of Ardeae). Miniregions and minifactions in my opininion also greatly contributes to the game. I just remember my first campaign as Carthage. The conquest of Sicily changed from taking over three or four settlements which is the case in other mods into epic ten years (40 turns) long war when I first have to fight the forces of 3 different factions involved (+ free peoples).

I also do nto really sea where RTR VII lacks in history or realism in comparation wiht EB. IMO, both the campaign map and units are well researched and well designed and I am pretty sure you wont find fantasy unit in RTR VII (well maybe except Carthaginian Sacred Band). I also think that 40 turn recruitment limits on the most elite units an battle mechanics feels very realistic in RTR.

I personally find very satisfying to play both EB and RTR and enjoying the best what each of them has to offer

That actually sounds pretty cool. I haven't tried the most recent RTR but I would like a game that focus on a smaller region.

There was a recent post over at the .com that I thought was great, it was something like this:

"You start the campaign on a max zoomed in campaign map and you have to conquer the neighboring regions, after you have established hegemony over a large part of land the maps zooms out.

For example as Rome you start as just one city and have to conquer your neighbours, once you have conquered Italy for example, the map zooms out and now there's only three provinces representing your empire like now in the actual campaign map for Rome2. You also get to see other cultures. The more you conquer the bigger and more zoomed out the map gets."

I would love that.

[Perdiccas]

hi,

I have a Mac computer, so I could only play RTRPE..... I did like the fact that there were more cities to conquer in each region.

the only mods I can choose from (because of the Mac) are RTRPE and EB.