My realization about God

[eltrevo]

Today, I determined this: If god exists in this world, then why won't he make his presence felt? Why won't he make the pain and suffering go away? Why won't he stop people like me(who have a problem with sadism) from hurting people just for fun? That is why, if God won't answer, then Satan may. Today, I pledge my allegience to Satan.

[LegionaryMarurder]

because maybe he dosent want to interfere with the natrual things of life, like the ancients in sg but on a galaxy wide scale! :hmmm:

[Miraj]

Today, I determined this: If god exists in this world, then why won't he make his presence felt? Why won't he make the pain and suffering go away? Why won't he stop people like me(who have a problem with sadism) from hurting people just for fun? That is why, if God won't answer, then Satan may. Today, I pledge my allegience to Satan.

Thats because God is too busy making gay porn videos with his partner lucifer to give two :wub:s about what goin on down here. Pledge allegiance to Satan or God, they both are too busy havin fuuuun.

[LegionaryMarurder]

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how dare u OFFEND GOD LIKE THAT!!!!!


sigh

[Da Skinna]

Thats because God is too busy making gay porn videos with his partner lucifer to give two :wub:s about what goin on down here. Pledge allegiance to Satan or God, they both are too busy havin fuuuun.

Yeah but they studio they had went out of business a while ago...

But yes, like everyone just said, God gave us free will, and we can only make the best choices available to us to make it a world we only envision when we think of God. Depending on God for those kinds of things are, frankly, selfish and careless.

[Katrina]

Pledge your allegience to satan? So you are under the satanic religion?

God will not intervene and control in such ways because he has given us free will. Others will also beleive that God created existance, than abandoned it, which of course is Deism. If one has a problem with why God will not answer or help you and others in a desired way, perhaps you should re-look your questions and desires. God gives everyone the chance of free will and thus anything can happen to anybody. In the eyes of Christians and God, life is at most, an experience which coorelates with the actions you partake that help determine your entrance into Heaven or Hell. Where you proceed after, whether you enter the holy kingdom or the dumps of Hell, is the only thing of importance.

[RusskiSoldat]

Here's the thing: what's the point of us having free will if god already knows?
And why is he being such a bastard about this?
I mean, just by telling us of his existance and the correct way to worship him (and I mean making it abundantly clear) he could save the world A LOT of trouble.
And if he knows what's going to happen to us anyway, why not prevent it?
I mean, with the above fact even the fun that could be derived from watching people make choices is taken away.

[Katrina]

Here's the thing: what's the point of us having free will if god already knows?
And why is he being such a bastard about this?
I mean, just by telling us of his existance and the correct way to worship him (and I mean making it abundantly clear) he could save the world A LOT of trouble.
And if he knows what's going to happen to us anyway, why not prevent it?
I mean, with the above fact even the fun that could be derived from watching people make choices is taken away.

The point of us having free will is irrelevent towards whether God knows or not. Our free will is simply for ourself and simply for us to decide what path we are to take in life, even if God already knows. He lets us know of his power so that we can strive to live by the moral code within the bible and to progress to heaven, so that we can learn of his greatness and how he sacrificed his one and only son for us to know we are wanted and loved by him, etc. We are not told certain ways to worship him, we are set a guideline of ethics that one must follow to be good on earth. If you have his teachings in the best of your heart and love him for all he has done for us, then you will live the best life after life on earth. This is not being a 'bastard', it is simply commonality and expected of most. If he knows what is going to happen to us, he will not prevent it because life is nothing but an experience and test towards if you are good enough to live a furthered life within a magestic heaven, rather than Hell. God will not stop the free will of nature or other humans just for the sake of another. That is innequality.

[MaximiIian]

And why is he being such a bastard about this?

'Cause he is a bastard.
Literally. Something that just spawns out of nowhere would thus have no father, and could be defined as a bastard.
In any case, if god exists, he's a dick and a tyrant. I bow to neither.

[Hawkus Africanus]

'Cause he is a bastard.
Literally. Something that just spawns out of nowhere would thus have no father, and could be defined as a bastard.
In any case, if god exists, he's a dick and a tyrant. I bow to neither.

God didn't spawn out of Nowhere as you say. He's always been here, so therefore he's not nor ever shall be a bastard as you say.

[Bwaho]

hate to spoil the party, but there is no God... but allah and muhammed is his prophet!

I pledge my allegience to Satan

oh come on, can't you be a little more original than that?

We are not told certain ways to worship him

really?

I must have misunderstood a lot of things then:

You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments." (Exodus 20:3-6)

[MaximiIian]

God didn't spawn out of Nowhere as you say. He's always been here, so therefore he's not nor ever shall be a bastard as you say.

1. That's impossible. Nothing can have always been. It had to have gotten there somehow. Even so, it had always been, then it definitely has no father, and is thusly definitely a bastard.

2. It was more of sarcasm, because god does not exist anyway.

[Idwayreth]

Here's the thing: what's the point of us having free will if god already knows?
And why is he being such a bastard about this?
I mean, just by telling us of his existance and the correct way to worship him (and I mean making it abundantly clear) he could save the world A LOT of trouble.
And if he knows what's going to happen to us anyway, why not prevent it?
I mean, with the above fact even the fun that could be derived from watching people make choices is taken away.

Well if you believe in the idea of the christian god...

He told Adam and Eve not to eat a fruit from this tree, doing so will bring down untold destruction, pain, suffering, condemnation and death not only to them but to every single one of their descendants (regardless of wether you believe a newborn child is worthy of the guilt of his parents) from now until the ending of the world.

Bottom line, he set us up man, be conscious of that fact, learn from it and decide wether you would want to worship something that would do a cruel thing like that to his creations who knew no better.

That's like me putting down a juicy slab of t-bone steak on the floor and telling me dog, "i am going to the store, if i come home and find out that you ate my steak i will beat you every day for the rest of your life, not only that, but i will also do the same to your pups and their pups and their pups..well you get the point" Now i know for a fact he's going to eat that steak as soon as i leave the door, there's no man alive that would bet against me on that. But you know what? i love my dog too much to put him in that kind of situation. i would rather give him the steak and forgive him afterwards because i know he knew no better. Now imagine a supposedly omnibenevolent god putting that kind of a test and going through with the punishment. supposedly he loved us above all else right? yet did not hesitate at all when it came to putting us in a situation like that.

[I Have a Clever Name]

God didn't spawn out of Nowhere as you say. He's always been here, so therefore he's not nor ever shall be a bastard as you say.

God has always been in existence, therefore he is morally blameless?

The point of us having free will is irrelevent towards whether God knows or not. Our free will is simply for ourself and simply for us to decide what path we are to take in life, even if God already knows.

If we understand free will to be the ability to choose one out of two or more courses of action (this could be as mundane as choosing whether to scratch our nose) then God's omniscience does seem to be a contravention. If God already knows which decision we are about to undertake we are robbed of our potential to do otherwise. You're at a T-junction, you can go left or right. But if God already knows you will go left, you must go left, otherwise you will be contradicting God's omniscience. It would seem God himself must conform to his own knowledge, rendering him as nothing more than an amoral automata fulfilling a set linear sequence of commands.

To relate to the main point though, you talk of God's hesitation in preventing tragedies. Yet if we are to assume that this God routinely cures the sick (most theists would hold this view, though you may not) it is difficult to see why precisely he didn't put a stop to an atrocity such as the Holocaust.

God will not stop the free will of nature or other humans just for the sake of another. That is innequality.

Yet he allows millions to be born into poverty, destitution and famine? What of the children born with biological defections? If there is a God, he is certainly not concerned with equality as we understand the term.

Today, I determined this: If god exists in this world, then why won't he make his presence felt? Why won't he make the pain and suffering go away? Why won't he stop people like me(who have a problem with sadism) from hurting people just for fun? That is why, if God won't answer, then Satan may. Today, I pledge my allegience to Satan.

Perhaps God doesn't exist to answer prayers, or to put an end to suffering, or to put a stop to your sadism. If you recognize your sadistic tendency as immoral, yet still feel the compulsion to hurt people mentally or even physically, then I'm afraid it is up to you to put an end to the problem. I don't know how seriously you take this burgeoning Satanism, and in the majority of individuals I meet with such inclination its little more than a fashion accessory for this or that sub-culture. I hope this is the case - it would be a waste if you came to such a realization only to adopt yet another scarcely more rational deity.

[alman9898]

Today, I determined this: If god exists in this world, then why won't he make his presence felt? Why won't he make the pain and suffering go away? Why won't he stop people like me (who have a problem with sadism) from hurting people just for fun?

on the converse, why would god need to make his presence felt? if god exists, then certainly he/she/it isn't human and certainly will not act in away conceivable or understandable by a human mind. :hmmm:

[PacSubCom]

Not only does God's power know no bounds, neither does his depravity. His cruelty is infinite; his malice without end.

The God of Eth

[Idwayreth]

Logical problem of evil

1. God exists (premise)
2. God is omnipotent (premise - or true by definition of the word 'God')
3. God is all-benevolent (premise - or true by definition)
4. All-benevolent beings are opposed to all evil. (premise - or true by definition)
5. All-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will do so immediately with no delay. (premise)
6. God is opposed to all evil. (conclusion from 3 and 4)
7. God can eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 2)

7.1. Whatever the end result of suffering is, God can bring about by ways which do not include suffering. (conclusion from 2)
7.2. God has no reason not to eliminate evil (conclusion from 7.1)
7.3. God has no reason not to act immediately (conclusion from 5)

8. God will eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 6, 7.2 and 7.3)
9. Evil exists, has existed, and probably will always exist. (premise)
10. Items 8 and 9 are contradictory; therefore, one or more of the premises is false: either God does not exist, or he is not both omnipotent and all-benevolent or there is a reason why He does not act immediately.

That is taken from Wikipedia on "Problem of evil"

Furthermore, i hear arguments that humans cannot possibly understand what god is. if that's so, then dont you think that anything written about him would be flawed as well and cannot be trusted? how can there be tons of writting about him when the people that are writing them cannot possibly comprehend what god's actions and train of thought are. They take all this time to argue about why god does this or why god does that or why he doesn't do this or that and then turn around and say we can't possibly comprehend his actions. just one contradiction after another, it never stops.

[Dartmund]

You are using mathematical logic to solve these arguments. There is another thread arguing if that should be used, so wikipedia may be wrong on this one.

Furthermore, i hear arguments that humans cannot possibly understand what god is. if that's so, then dont you think that anything written about him would be flawed as well and cannot be trusted?

Unless, of course, you are a fundamentalist. If so, you believe that the authors had no creative input and were divinely inspired to write the Bible - in short, the words written are from God's mouth itself.

And thats why no-one likes fundamentalists.

[shenmueguru]

You have heard of Jesus, yet refuse to obey Him. You hear why christians became christians, yet you write off their reasons as coincidences or acts of science. In essence, unbelievers refute God, and God makes His presence known - you have not been searching, or if you have, you do not do it the right way. If you truly seek God, you will get an answer. I'm not talking about, "God, if you're really there, (even though I doubt it) umm...show me why I should believe in you." I'm talking about the biblical approach to God, if you have an ounce of care.

[Last Roman]

Today, I determined this: If god exists in this world, then why won't he make his presence felt? Why won't he make the pain and suffering go away? Why won't he stop people like me(who have a problem with sadism) from hurting people just for fun? That is why, if God won't answer, then Satan may. Today, I pledge my allegience to Satan.

if you don't believe in a god, why would you believe in satan?