More African Factions ?

[Alexanderos]

As we all know , Carthage was not only busy fighting the romans , but also keeping under pressure like Numidians , Libyans and such.
I might be wrong about this , but it would still be interesting to see more factions in Africa. Some minor factions , starting at like the bottom of the map with one minor city and then expanding up to see the world Afterwards , allying and taking down Carthage .

What say you ?

[century x]

As we all know , Carthage was not only busy fighting the romans , but also keeping under pressure like Numidians , Libyans and such.
I might be wrong about this , but it would still be interesting to see more factions in Africa. Some minor factions , starting at like the bottom of the map with one minor city and then expanding up to see the world Afterwards , allying and taking down Carthage .

What say you ?

Well I am all for that.
Sadly their are some issues with it.

The number of factions are already capped out. Meaning if you are to add these factions then others will have to be taken away.
It can work as a swap faction in a way.
Going more south in Africa will have to make the map bigger and take away from other areas.
The popularity of these factions might be low.
Also the amount of information available is limited.


Other wise it would be cool.

[Alexanderos]

Thanks for killing my excitement

[tungri_centurio]

maybe there is a possibility to use sythia for it,and northern europe and the east or crimea can miss a region.
i like to see some more regions in africa too,maybe carthage will be more of a challenge to beat them.
an other faction i dont like that mutch,maybe as swap faction but not on normal campaigns,
numidia woud be historical accurate but with them on the map, AI carthage has even more
trouble to stay a powerfull nation with enemy's in spain,italy and africa.

[ur-Lord Tedric]

This is the 'one' area where Rome2 has delivered....... Not possible in RTW/RSII

[tungri_centurio]

This is the 'one' area where Rome2 has delivered....... Not possible in RTW/RSII

and sadly also the only area they have delivered IMO

[ur-Lord Tedric]

and sadly also the only area they have delivered IMO

Well, there are a few other things. Unfortunately the biggest issue, certainly for me, is that the underlying 'Wargame' engine is so poor - and that is something that no amount of modding is really going to be able to fix.

What I will never understand is why the principles that enabled the original RTW engine to be tweaked for sensible TV programs have been over-thrown for modern game play, when I would have made sure that all the complexity was built in and then toned down with normal options for those that then want it - albeit perhaps the majority. Then there really would have been a game for everyone, one that could even support the best of simulations.

[dvk901]

Yes, my thoughts exactly. Rome2 has a 'boatload' of factions....or should I say, a transport ship full of them.

But seriously, with the limitations of RTW it really wasn't possible to add much in Africa. We had to choose factions that were either:

a) relevant to the time period in question
b) strategically acceptable (and Carthage has enough trouble without adding more of it)
c) popular with players

For these reasons, factions like Numidia were not considered because they would cause Carthage trouble and were not all that popular. Or a faction like Bactria, which was pretty popular with players (and would've been a nice consideration) was simply not relevant to the 'picture' RS2 creates.

Given more regions, and more factions, and more units, quite a number of factions could've been added...but RTW forces you to 'pick and choose' based on some criteria that narrows things down.

[Tordenskjold]

Good! My favorite faction is Carthage and it is really a mighty challenge, at least the way I play it with houserules and all.

[tungri_centurio]

yea rome2 deserved a new engine,but publichers want atleast every 2 years a new title and probably dont give
developers the time or money to build a new engine.

can you name more than 5 good features from R2?
i dont,i only like the graphics,some parts of the diplomacy, the amount of factions
and where the map is cut of in the north-east steppe area. and so back on topic

maybe thats an option for future RS updates?
giving those regions to africa,instead of the small coastal strip we have now,and giving those to and carthage and ptolomais

[ur-Lord Tedric]

............
can you name more than 5 good features from R2?............

I'll give that challenge a go!

1. The number of factions and, I'll add a freebie, therefore the diplomatic inter-play (although there are several missing options)

2. The practicable management of the settlements in a region, although the choice of buildings is incredibly dumbed down and there are too few 'real' building options; but I will caveat that by believing that I understand some of the underlying design that we are now seeing in the two expansions. For what seems to have been done is a 'City State' idea that has the Capitals as the City and the minor settlements as 'villages'. This allows the game to be set at several levels (vanilla is the 'grand' level) and it would not surprise me to see a future Mod (perhaps even DLC) that is based, say, on the Greek City States and battles of the Peloponese periods - all without increasing the complexity of the campaign. The walled Capital and Non-Walled minor settlements also keep the siege attacks down to manageable levels.

3. The graphics - now in many cases (as long as you don't look at zombie faces) these are simply better, as they should be after those 10 years. Masses of potential there.

4. The fact that ships can be made part of an integrated battle and 'okay' amphibious assaults can be made.

5. Given No2 the limit on generals and the fixed, but up-gradable, garrisons is a good solution. I would prefer to remove that limit, but only if movement were reduced dramatically - especially forced march! I would like to take the CA developers on a forced march - and see if they can keep up double-speed for a whole year!!!!

You were right, however, I would be pressed to do a 6th......

[tungri_centurio]

yea rome2 deserved a new engine,but publichers want atleast every 2 years a new title and probably dont give developers the time or money to build a new engine.can you name more than 5 good features from R2?i dont,i only like the graphics,some parts of the diplomacy, the amount of factions and where the map is cut of in the north-east steppe area. and so back on topicmaybe thats an option for future RS updates?giving those regions to africa,instead of the small coastal strip we have now,and giving those to and carthage and ptolomais