Isengard vs Mordor Uruks - puzzled.

**Rad** · March 01, 2014, 08:08 AM

Every 1vs1 custom game I played using these units resulted in a Mordor victory.

Strange if you look at the stats.
Isengard Uruk-Hai infantry has 1 more defense, has more stamina and discipline than the Mordor version. The only thing Mordor Uruks have as an advantage is that they tire less in hot climates, due to Mordor's climate, I guess. I did all my tests in the Grassy Plain map, so that shouldn't count much. Everything else is the same, as far as I can see (upkeep and recruitment costs aren't factors here).

Could someone give me an explanation please?

Rad

P.S. Links to the unit stats for TATW 3.1 (I have 3.2, but I don't think it's a big deal)
Isengard http://totalwar.honga.net/unit.php?v...k-Hai_Infantry
Mordor http://totalwar.honga.net/unit.php?v...d=Mordor_Uruks

**Rad** · March 01, 2014, 08:23 AM

On a more positive note for Isengard fans, I tested the Berzerkers vs Olog-hai. The battle trolls got ripped to shreds

**Kolaris8472** · March 01, 2014, 11:42 AM

First, if you only did one test there's a lot of variables and 1 point of defense skill is a very small difference. It may be Uruk-Hai infantry would win 60% of the time but got the worst of the fighting in this run.

Second, they use different animations. Uruk-Hai use MTW2_Fast_Mace while Mordor Uruks use MTW2_Swordsman. It could be that the Mordor Uruk animation is more effective.

**Rad** · March 01, 2014, 12:29 PM

Read my first post, buddy

"Every 1vs1 custom game I played using these units resulted in a Mordor victory." That means I did quite a few. I admit, I did them all on the Grassy Plains map. However, I chose that map because I believe that it is neutral to both forces.

You did give me the answer. It has to be the animations, although I don't really understand how they work. If there are plans for TATW 4.0, I formally ask the mods to consider the animation factor as well. I have seen similar things with other units, the "superior" ones losing. I am not sure who has the superior Uruks in the LotR lore, but game-wise, Isengard should have the upper edge because they rely on the Uruks a lot.

Oh yeah, get rid of the DAMN SNAGAS PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
They're ugly and useless

Thank you,

Rad

**Feanaro Curufinwe** · March 01, 2014, 12:54 PM

Oh yeah, get rid of the DAMN SNAGAS PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Highly unlikely, considering the mod is not in development anymore.

**Kruniac** · March 04, 2014, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Feanaro Curufinwe

Highly unlikely, considering the mod is not in development anymore.

He could edit the mod himself.

**Rad** · March 04, 2014, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Kruniac

He could edit the mod himself.

I could, but that would be blasphemy to the mod and a lightning bolt would strike me within 5 seconds.

**k/t** · March 02, 2014, 03:39 PM

Someone should make TATW 4 for Rome 2.

And quickly.

**DrDragun** · March 03, 2014, 08:10 AM

I vote for First Age: Total War

On topic, there was just a discussion on combat mechanics, and the kill equation seems proportional to 1.1^(atk-def+mdf), so each point of either attack or defense should give a unit 10% advantage (exponential). Uruks and Uruk Hai are both sword+shield infantry so they should have the same animations. I can't explain the test results.

**eugenioso** · March 03, 2014, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Rad

Every 1vs1 custom game I played using these units resulted in a Mordor victory.

Strange if you look at the stats.
Isengard Uruk-Hai infantry has 1 more defense, has more stamina and discipline than the Mordor version. The only thing Mordor Uruks have as an advantage is that they tire less in hot climates, due to Mordor's climate, I guess. I did all my tests in the Grassy Plain map, so that shouldn't count much. Everything else is the same, as far as I can see (upkeep and recruitment costs aren't factors here).

Could someone give me an explanation please?

Rad

P.S. Links to the unit stats for TATW 3.1 (I have 3.2, but I don't think it's a big deal)
Isengard http://totalwar.honga.net/unit.php?v...k-Hai_Infantry
Mordor http://totalwar.honga.net/unit.php?v...d=Mordor_Uruks

how many times did you do the test, exactly?

**Rad** · March 03, 2014, 04:45 PM

I did at least a dozen tests. Every time, and I mean every time, Mordor wins. It has to be the animations.

**Ngugi** · March 03, 2014, 04:03 PM

Animation choice cause a lot of difference.
First off they affect the attack animation by which harm is done to the enemy, secondly it mean that the slower unit is more likley to be forced to do a defence animation to counter incoming blows - instead of making an attack animation. You do the math

That Isengards Uruks use the mace animations is logical, because it is a cutting sword the films gave them. You would have to swing it as an axe or mace or alike, since the design has no stabbing edge (and for the ones who cares: the books describe them as short and broad-bladed swords, make me think of a mean looking gladius hehe).