No PUNIC WARS DLC/EXPANSION and here's why

[equinoxsolar]

Because we are getting Carthaginian units free. If there was going to be a punic wars dlc then these would come as part of that purchase. Discuss.

[Nordmann]

Good. I would prefer something much later, a la Barbarian Invasion.

[Captain Arrrgh!]

Good. I would prefer something much later, a la Barbarian Invasion.

Agreed. No more of these piecemeal DLC's. Let's get a Barbarian Invasion/Fall of Rome full expansion, wrap this title up, then send the CA/Sega marketing team to labour camps in Siberia.

[Nordmann]

Agreed. No more of these piecemeal DLC's. Let's get a Barbarian Invasion/Fall of Rome full expansion, wrap this title up, then send the CA/Sega marketing team to labour camps in Siberia.

Siberia? Nah, just make 'em read TWC every single day. I'm pretty sure that after a few weeks, most of them will move to Siberia anyway.

[geyserik]

Good. I would prefer something much later, a la Barbarian Invasion.

Me too!

[baldrick13]

shots fired

[Anna_Gein]

The dlc may contain the map and campaign features alone while free units are given to everyone. That said I am not interested in a Punic war dlc just as I was not interested in a Gallic wars dlc. I considered both to be core conflicts of the main game. After all the first and main demo was the siege of Carthage and the most famous artwork released was a Celtic Warrior who ambushed Marian Legionaries.

[❋ Flavius Belisarius ❋]

Good, I would prefer a classical Greece era or an Alexander DLC

[Igor85]

Nope, Punic Wars DLC would bring most likely Iberian tribes. Maybe it adds 1-2 new units to Carthagian roster, but that's it. Although there is a Carthage unit DLC on the way a Punic War DLC is not unlikely. Rome also did not get new units in the Caesar DLC.

Also it would be very strange from CA to make a card game, write a book and a trailer for Punic War, but not deliver a DLC to replay it (and no, on main campaign it is not possible, because sicily is displayed very poor, also Carthage is no worthful enemy).

[Darios]

I considered both to be core conflicts of the main game. After all the first and main demo was the siege of Carthage and the most famous artwork released was a Celtic Warrior who ambushed Marian Legionaries.

I agree wholeheartedly. Doesn't the main campaign kinda already set the geopolitical stage for the Punic Wars? Why people would really wanna see a mini-campaign of the same thing is beyond me. I would rather see CA spend their time and energy on something that has never been done in a TW game before. A year's worth of endless screenshots and demos of the Siege of Carthage wore out my interest in the Punic Wars long ago. It is also something that I have done with the House of Scipii a million times already in RTW.

Caesar in Gaul was cool but cmon, give us something fascinating. Bouddica, Trajan, the Saka/Yuezhi invasion of Baktra and India. There's a wealth of history to choose from.

[GenTiberius]

I agree wholeheartedly. Doesn't the main campaign kinda already set the geopolitical stage for the Punic Wars? Why people would really wanna see a mini-campaign of the same thing is beyond me. I would rather see CA spend their time and energy on something that has never been done in a TW game before. A year's worth of endless screenshots and demos of the Siege of Carthage wore out my interest in the Punic Wars long ago. It is also something that I have done with the House of Scipii a million times already in RTW.

Caesar in Gaul was cool but cmon, give us something fascinating. Bouddica, Trajan, the Saka/Yuezhi invasion of Baktra and India. There's a wealth of history to choose from.

Except the main game hardly allows for a war to be fought like the first two Punic wars were fought. A dlc would have to go so much more in depth than the main game. As was mentioned earlier, Sicily is hardly Sicily at all. While it was an important area in both wars, in the current game it is extremely lacking. If there was a punic Wars dlc it would have to seriously increase the amount of provinces in the lands that the war took place. I agree that it would need a script in order to try to represent the campaigns of the second war or even the first for that matter.

Sure, you have fought Carthage plenty of times in RTW, but the idea that those wars do a half decent job of representing or setting the stage for some fun Punic wars is just silly. Especially compared to what a scripted game which is totally about the Punic wars. I wouldn't really claim the main game does a good job of setting up a good representation of very many ancient conflicts

Anyway, the wars that Carthage and Rome have in most games I've played have been extremely lame. I'd also venture to say a Boudica dlc would lack the depth of a punic Wars dlc. The punic Wars, mainly the second, offer the largest amount of depth of any ancient conflict. I imagine something like the Wars of the Diadochi and the aftermath might make for a fun game too. Though, it would probably lack the unit variety the Punic wars offer. Furthermore, I think those deal more with what the game focuses on.

[Kraut]

That said I am not interested in a Punic war dlc just as I was not interested in a Gallic wars dlc. I considered both to be core conflicts of the main game.

Doesn't the main campaign kinda already set the geopolitical stage for the Punic Wars? Why people would really wanna see a mini-campaign of the same thing is beyond me.

This sums it up for me: I do not like mini campaigns which are already half present in the main campaign.

I conquered Gaul, now I may conquer Gaul again - "in more Detail, with more provinces" and pay again for it?
No thanks.

Look at the mini campaign DLCs for ETW and NTW. They offered something new, something different. Playing Indians in Warpath, and guerrilla war Setting in the iberian peninsula.

[Mirni]

Punic wars DLC will be best fun for me. There aren't many games about them which is a shame. Hannibal's story is very interesting and you mentioned that as developers, you like to tell stories about the life of various generals. The map could stretch from Spain to Italy. From the middle of France to North Africa or just big map of Sicily 2 empires battle for control of the Mediterranean. This could sell for $10-20 on Steam. I'm sure it would be a great expansion. What do you think?

[Sir_Pee_Alot]

Because we are getting Carthaginian units free. If there was going to be a punic wars dlc then these would come as part of that purchase. Discuss.

There are more factions, plus you dont know what they give for free, And a campaign DLC is not only about units. If its a heavy scripted story about the PUNIC Wars i would buy it even if it only got 2 new units. So i dont see why not!

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

A Punic Wars DLC would be as meaningless as the recent Caesar in Gaul, neither scenario adds anything new to the game. I would like a Bronze Age expansion (yes expansion, not DLC), a Belisarius expansion, an Alexander expansion or a Barbarian Invasion era expansion.

[GRANTO]

dark age barbarorium for me please.

[spiderknight]

Greek city states/Pelopenesian war/ Persian war for me please

[Petroniu]

Pelopenesian war/ Persian war for me please

yeah! That would be cool! Especially considering the way they built the map by having corridors and choke points in it. I really do not see why CA is not going OUTside of their time frame with minicampaings DLCs. Like Alexander ORRRR - The FREAKING SUCCESSOR WARS! HOW FREAKING COOL WOULD THAT BE? I mean, I know you can sort of recreate them in the game too, but I am talking about those major successor wars where the winner could ACTUALLY recreate Alexander's empire! Or how about the Galatian invasion of Greece? How sweet would that be?
It is stuff like that that I would love to see coming from CA, not things that you can do inside the time frame. Those would be campaign DlCs worth spending money on, because you cannot play something like that in the base game.

[SirRobin]

I think you overlook the most obvious reason there will be no Punic Wars campaign: Very few casual players know about those wars.

Whereas most people know the Romans was led by some guy called Ceasar who fought the Gauls.

I personally would like to se the Punic Wars covered, but not by CA, as I don't believe they are capable of doing it well..

[Kraut]

Very few casual players know about those wars

Are you kidding? We are talkng bout the PUNIC WARS