Post-Andal Invasion: Second Poll [READ THE OP]

[Dirty Chai]

So.. gents,

I regret to inform all of you that there seems to have been a major, fundamental misunderstanding between Poach, the original progenitor of the Post-Andal Invasion setting, and the rest of us. Poach intended for all the players to RP as the new Andal ruling class, with the invaders fully and permanently settled in Westeros for good; Characters would be the Andal houses, and form up the kingdoms we know as the Seven Kingdoms today (sans the North, I suppose).

The rest of us, however, interpreted the setting as an "First Men v.s. Andals" scenario, comparable to Sub-Roman Britain.

The fact of the matter is that the latter scenario requires a lot of reconfiguration of the rules and many new additions (completely untested!) to make it work.
The former setup, while admittedly droll for many who were hoping to play the 'culture war', would require little change, as Poach tried to make us understand before he realized we were never on the same page.

So, here is a new poll;

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The Settings:

I - 1000 Years, Post Bellum
This is the setup that Poach originally intended.

The Andal people have completely conquered all of Westeros south of the Neck, and what was not conquered was married into (except for the North).
The North is unplayable, and the petty kingdoms are ruled by Andals or Andal-ized nobles.
First Men are unplayable on a base level, with exception of houses such as the Blackwoods.
The Iron Islands have not yet been invaded by the Andals.

This setting would be immediately available, and even playable on Friday, the 21st of February.

NB: Current Claims will stand, and can be reconfigured for the setting change if need be.
Example: House Mudd becomes House Teague.


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II - 100 Years, In Bellum
This is the setup that was anticipated by most(?).

Geographically, southern Westeros is now, for the most part, evenly divided between Andal kingdoms and First Men kingdoms.
It has been 100 years since the Andals first came to Westeros, and the wars of culture, conquest, and religion wage on between the Andals and First Men.
The Andals seek to conquer and swallow up land, seeking riches and prosperity at the expense of their hated First Men enemies.
The First Men continue to bicker amongst themselves, as the Andals do, but dream of sending the Andal invaders back into the sea from whence they came.

This setting would require a good bit of work, and will not be immediately available.


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III - Smelly Hippy

This means you do not care for either setting, and would prefer something else entirely.
If you choose this, you do not belong here and should just leave.

[Wheatley]

I see no fun in a First Men-Andal war, I'd rather start now so we can finally get going again.

[Dirty Chai]

I disagree, but I understand many feel that way.

[Lucius Malfoy]

Both settings have potential. It is very evident just by thinking about them.

However, I would rather choose the first option mainly because its ready to be used. Whereas the second option may require a week or more before its ready. I just wouldn't want our players to be waiting for such a long time.

I will also add onto the 1000 Year option.
- Even though the First Men are gone and fled North, houses may still have First Men origins; whether by a female or male lineage.

[Poach]

1000 years in. Lets us start and let's us do Kingdom building rather than a cultural and religious war.

[Dirty Chai]

I would like to note:
If the 1000+ setting is chosen, which seems certain, I am dropping my claim on the heartland of the Riverlands.
I am rather uninterested in that region when it is just Andal PVP in a bottleneck, harassed by Ironborn.

[Xion]

So...in the 1,000+ setting, my claim would change to be Dundarrion instead of my created house?

[Lucius Malfoy]

So...in the 1,000+ setting, my claim would change to be Dundarrion instead of my created house?

Not necessary I think.

[Oznerol]

I don't see the point of +1000 years, I don't really see it. The setting chosen was fine, and interesting. And, in my opinion, Andal Houses are pretty uninteresting with the exception of Durrendon and Arryn. Also I have no desire to be Blackwoods sandwiched between all those Andalized realms, and the appeal of +1000 is pretty low for myself.

However I see it's many of the mods' desires that we will play +1000, so I will abstain and see what this turns into.

[Ganbarenippon]

In a 1000 post-bellum setting I will largely have to reinvent my whole idea of a tribal society. However, I also see very little point in reinventing a lot of the rules for the sake of a single restart. Quite the bind...

For expediency's sake, this time around, I will vote for the 1000 post-bellum setting. However, I will now alter the claims I had and claim a seat in the Stormlands instead. Who is active there currently and what territories are unavailable?

[Xion]

As of right now, only claimed territories are Storm's End, Straits of Tarth, and Rainwood. But that may change.

[Oznerol]

And after talking with Xion I will probably pick the Durrendons.

[Lucius Malfoy]

And after talking with Xion I will probably pick the Durrendons.

What territories though? Especially since Xion took the original lands of that house.

[Xion]

What territories though? Especially since Xion took the original lands of that house.

I'll probably play something else if 1,000+ is selected, so those three high lordships will likely be Oz's new claim.

[Trot]

well since it seems 1000+ has been selected i must admit I am a bit disappointed. I would rather see the systems put into place for a culture war than everyone just rushing to develop kingdoms an invade the big bad north. I hope if the 1000+ setting is selected the north will no longer be off limits as the reasoning is not as strong anymore.

[Honors Bastion]

well since it seems 1000+ has been selected i must admit I am a bit disappointed. I would rather see the systems put into place for a culture war than everyone just rushing to develop kingdoms an invade the big bad north. I hope if the 1000+ setting is selected the north will no longer be off limits as the reasoning is not as strong anymore.

The North will stay off limits regardless of the period Trot. In fact, the 1,000+ period may actually lend more credence to making the North off limits as it preserves for us a future powerful enemy that the player realms can wage war against.

[Zethira]

Sitting out this round, so i voted Smelly Hippy

The North will stay off limits regardless of the period Trot. In fact, the 1,000+ period may actually lend more credence to making the North off limits as it preserves for us a future powerful enemy that the player realms can wage war against.

Still, speaking of 'hating on the North', did that suggestion to add Wildling tribes ever get off the ground or is it still being discussed? We were close to a couple of good suggestions but it somehow never really came to a vote.

[Lucius Malfoy]

Still, speaking of 'hating on the North', did that suggestion to add Wildling tribes ever get off the ground or is it still being discussed? We were close to a couple of good suggestions but it somehow never really came to a vote.

I think that suggestion is more or less dead at this point, no point to discussing further. Beyond the Wall is now much more isolated with the North being labeled as unplayable in this new Post-Andal Invasion setting. Same goes for the Wall.

[Honors Bastion]

Sitting out this round, so i voted Smelly Hippy



Still, speaking of 'hating on the North', did that suggestion to add Wildling tribes ever get off the ground or is it still being discussed? We were close to a couple of good suggestions but it somehow never really came to a vote.

No, it was only ideas and no one actually elaborated more on it to put into a full proposal. It's in the archives if you want to look at it.