[Amendment] Curial Bandwidth Reduction Bill

[Omnipotent-Q]

Ok so by the looks of things here 36 people have voted. There are three citizen badges. 36/3 = 12 per badge in terms of active voting citizens. Additionally as can be seen from the negative response to reducing/removing the limit in the proposal thread, if citizenship doesn't become more equal, if it continues to be an elitist clique - fine. You vote for that, let's reduce the real-terms cost of this clique with amendments like this.

So if only 36 citizens are thinking about citizenship or actively getting involved, there's no justification for three separate citizen badges that use 3 times the bandwidth of one badge. It always used to be just one badge. It did the job just as well. Some old school modders still even use the original civitate badge. Perhaps one badge will also encourage people to be nominated for Opifex and Phalera more. I mean put it this way, I've never done any TW modding really. Yet I can go use an Artifex badge as a citizen if I choose. We should be as one - equals. Not segregated.

We have one badge in between the two "classic" themes of citizen - one badge in between modders/debaters. So why not just use it for everything? All these citizenship badges must be confusing for new members. If someone new is coming to download a mod - they don't care what badge is below a modder. They see the modder's in red coloured citizen text - they know it must be someone with some good mods to throw out. They don't read the badge and go "oh Artifex...he must be a modder if I remember from my Latin classes". Who even speaks Latin? To most people who aren't regulars on TWC Artifex/Civitate means nothing as titles. If it said "Modder" then they'd be a point to the badge, but it doesn't. Same with Civitate. It doesn't say debater on it. It's all a pointless gimmick when it should be simple, easy for new people to understand, while still giving that reward out to modders, debaters, one and all who deserve it. It's time this Curia woke up and got in the real world, and something like this would be a start. We need a more lean Curia.

So I propose an amendment to Section 3, Article 1:

Citizens
Contributing members of TWC have the opportunity to become a Citizen of the Forum as per Article 2 below. Once a member becomes a Citizen, they can then identify themselves with the Citizen badge choose between 3 different badges. Artifex, designed for those who are modders, Civitate, designed for those who have contributed to the debating side of the Site, whether in TW or non-TW, and Citizen, for those who associate with both.

Give me one good reason that isn't from simple self-interest, for seemingly 36 active citizens to have nearly as many badges as TWC staff of which there are many more people?

You know you don't want to argue with me. You know it will take many walls of text. So let's just stand together, as one, and do something sensible for a change.....FOR THE PEOPLE!

[Søren]

Always been against the tripartite system, support.

[Mhaedros]

You have my full support, I have never seen the point behind three different badges anyway. It only leads to prejudice and driving the community apart.

[ElvenKind]

Support.

[Ngugi]

Support

Non the less I as a modder find it interesting to know when I pass by a fellow bloke in the forum if he/she is a modder, since it invoke interest to check out what he/she is/has been up to and perhaps initiate co-operation or exchange, and that based on prior experience, not being a matter of vanity: Could it be an idea to yet enable a little text note under the Citizen-badge, saying Artifex, and Civitate too if that's of interest to those who deem themselves such, in the same manner as can be seen for example under Mhaedros badge currently?

[StealthFox]

Support.

Could it be an idea to yet enable a little text note under the Citizen-badge, saying Artifex, and Civitate too if that's of interest to those who deem themselves such, in the same manner as can be seen for example under Mhaedros badge currently?

Yes, I'm pretty sure that would be possible. Squid would have to confirm though.

[dvk901]

Support

Non the less I as a modder find it interesting to know when I pass by a fellow bloke in the forum if he/she is a modder, since it invoke interest to check out what he/she is/has been up to and perhaps initiate co-operation or exchange, and that based on prior experience, not being a matter of vanity: Could it be an idea to yet enable a little text note under the Citizen-badge, saying Artifex, and Civitate too if that's of interest to those who deem themselves such, in the same manner as can be seen for example under Mhaedros badge currently?

I like this idea. I still think that people who have earned the Artifex badge should be credited with it in some way. If that strokes the ego a bit, so be it. That's not an all bad thing....keeps people interested, keeps them around, makes them smile and feel good.

But if you want to save bandwidth, which I understand is an issue with TWC, why attack this particular thing? I mean, I for instance have 19 different graphical symbols below the Artifex badge. Couple this with the many thousands of others and you have a lot of bandwidth. Why not change reputation so that it only shows one image that changes at various levels with the accompanying tool tip text, instead of 13 of them? Why not show a more generic 'Modding Award' symbol with tooltip text that says how many times it was won, or what year? There are five of them in my profile....which looks pretty, but just one with a bit of text explaining it would be just as effective.

Guess I just think there are other, better ways to do this.

[The Hedge Knight]

Actions speak louder than badges. Support.

It has to be asked whether or not the forum would be better off without the dead weight of the Magnum and Tablarium too. What useful function do they serve? Why not kill the cat and merge the Curial Archive with the Prothalamos Archive too...

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[Derpy Hooves]

Abstain. I like having three badges, but I can understand why one is better and more logical (I can't decide between what I want and what is logical )

[The Roman Republic]

Support

Why should members who wear 1 of the 3 badges be thought less of, even though they all went through the same process to get in and had to prove there worth of the entitlement, and so I agree and think one badge for all will bring unity and equality for everyone.

[Hader]

You know, I got my citizenship back before there was artifex. And it wasn't until some time after artifex was even made that I thought I would request to have that instead. Then 'citizen' got its own generic badge as the middle ground and blah blah blah...

In hindsight I've never really cared about the distinction of artifex. If anything I would say keep the name just because it sounds cool and fits well with the now current Roman theme again, but otherwise...I just don't care for the distinction.

Support.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Support, if you can add the clause that any citizens who's active in the forums but not participate in voting within certain period (3 months maybe) be revoked of the citizenship.

[Kiliç Alì]

Support, even if I shall renounce to my brand new shiny badge.

[Confederate Jeb]

Why should members who wear 1 of the 3 badges be thought less of, even though they all went through the same process to get in and had to prove there worth of the entitlement,

Is this even a thing? I highly doubt it.

[Genius of the Restoration]

I'd love this to pass.

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

there's no justification for three separate citizen badges that use 3 times the bandwidth of one badge.

The good of the site comes before the good of the individual.


Support.

[Noif de Bodemloze]

It look good and I support this.

[Inarus]

Funny, I've always had access to all three despite never doing a day's debating my life, unless one counts CVRIA matters

I do still like the feature, but it seems pointless in that non-modders judge modders whilst modders judge debaters and so on.

Support.

P.S. speaking of Curial bandwidth, we still have far too many subforums here

[Squid]

I like this idea. I still think that people who have earned the Artifex badge should be credited with it in some way. If that strokes the ego a bit, so be it. That's not an all bad thing....keeps people interested, keeps them around, makes them smile and feel good.

But if you want to save bandwidth, which I understand is an issue with TWC, why attack this particular thing? I mean, I for instance have 19 different graphical symbols below the Artifex badge. Couple this with the many thousands of others and you have a lot of bandwidth. Why not change reputation so that it only shows one image that changes at various levels with the accompanying tool tip text, instead of 13 of them? Why not show a more generic 'Modding Award' symbol with tooltip text that says how many times it was won, or what year? There are five of them in my profile....which looks pretty, but just one with a bit of text explaining it would be just as effective.

Guess I just think there are other, better ways to do this.

Most of those images are shared by a variety of users per page such as the rep images and to a lesser extent the award images. Which means each person viewing the page only downloads the image once, regardless of the number of times it appears on the page.

Funny, I've always had access to all three despite never doing a day's debating my life, unless one counts CVRIA matters

I do still like the feature, but it seems pointless in that non-modders judge modders whilst modders judge debaters and so on.

Support.

P.S. speaking of Curial bandwidth, we still have far too many subforums here

I'll start threads to abolish those subforums we don't need any more. We can start with CdeC and CAT!!

[Inarus]

I'll start threads to abolish those subforums we don't need any more.

It's not so much abolishing old subforums as streamlining what we have and use. Surely it would be far easier if there was merely one forum for active matters, one for closed matters and then CdeC and CAT alongside (and subforums within them could most likely be cut down). Anyway, a debate for another thread, some people may like skipping between subforums