Ahhh, a German is lecturing Israel about ethnic cleansing, how dare him!!

[hellheaven1987]

Israeli MPs from a pro-settler party have walked out of Israel's Knesset during a speech by the President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz.

Members of Jewish Home heckled Mr Schulz after he made comments about Palestinians' access to water resources in the occupied West Bank.

They accused the German politician of spreading lies and anti-Israel propaganda before storming out.

Jewish Home leader Naftali Bennett demanded an apology from Mr Schulz.

"I will not accept a false moralising narrative against Israel in our parliament, in our Knesset. Certainly not in German," he wrote on his Facebook page.

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Well, perhaps it is time for EU, and the best the whole international community, to set up an example what would happen to be a rogue member, so the other members can learn a good lesson and prevent tragedy happens again.

[athanaric]

Martin Schulz is indeed a worthy representative of the EUSSR...


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"Now calm down, will you, or do I have to put you under Schulz arrest [read: Schutzhaft, i.e. protective arrest, a euphemism for internation], you well poisoners?""And I thought that Mundlos [a neo-Nazi terrorist] guy was dead."

[King Gambrinus]

Yeah, Jewish Home are just about the same as the NSDAP in terms of policy and ideology, so why take them seriously?

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

This is racist as it suggests every German alive today is guilty of the Holocaust. Germans today under a certain age should not take the blame.For Israel to say ah a German should not talk they are using the Holocaust card.To say no German has the right to talk about anything as their grandfathers may have been Nazi is fubar.

[sumskilz]

For Israel to say ah a German should not talk they are using the Holocaust card.

Naftali Bennett is not Israel.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Naftali Bennett is not Israel.

Oh I read it wrong it is just one guy saying this.My Bad.Still Germans under 60 should not take any blame for the past.I think too many times ALL Germans get mocked over Hitler as if they are ALL still Nazis.It happens on this forum a lot.

Human rights in Saudi-Arabia are not what they used to be, but the US are not taking steps against them either.

Agreed

[Slaytaninc]

Oh I read it wrong it is just one guy saying this.My Bad.Still Germans under 60 should not take any blame for the past.I think too many times ALL Germans get mocked over Hitler as if they are ALL still Nazis.It happens on this forum a lot.

Reminds me of "Shadow of the Swastika" by Tyr. Good sentiment.

[Condottiere 40K]

The new German generation will eventually become thicker skinned and stop talking with the Zionists.

[Greymane]

This is just extremely sad. If Israel keeps playing the anti-semite card, there is no room at all for discussion and the situation in the area will never improve.
If there is proof (and there was a lot, last time I checked) that Israel commits crimes against Palestinians (or any ethnic group really), the West should act accordingly and maybe a boycott will get Israel to back down a little.
But we should not hope too much. Human rights in Saudi-Arabia are not what they used to be, but the US are not taking steps against them either.

Naftali Bennett is not Israel.

No, but he was a representative of Israel. And the other MPs stormed out of the chamber as well.
Also Netahanyu denies Schulz' claims, so I think it is safe to assume this was not just the one guy disagreeing with Schulz.

[sumskilz]

No, but he was a representative of Israel. And the other MPs stormed out of the chamber as well.

Actually he represents his party in the Knesset. So what if 12 MPs protested a false claim. It was Bennett's comment that was uncalled for.

Also Netahanyu denies Schulz' claims, so I think it is safe to assume this was not just the one guy disagreeing with Schulz.

Well, it's actually the facts that disagree with Shultz and he admitted he was repeating an unsubstantiated claim when he said it. It's not just the figure that was false but also the spin.

Still Germans under 60 should not take any blame for the past.I think too many times ALL Germans get mocked over Hitler as if they are ALL still Nazis.It happens on this forum a lot.

Yeah, I agree.

[Greymane]

Actually he represents his party in the Knesset. So what if 12 MPs protested a false claim. It was Bennett's comment that was uncalled for.

All right. Thanks for clearing that up. I have to admit I am not versed in Israeli politics enough to know what MP means and what Jewish Home is.
I suppose this is comparable to our own national lunatic Geert Wilders saying something.
Still, comments like those made by Bennet do not help the discussion along at all.

Well, it's actually the facts that disagree with Shultz and he admitted he was repeating an unsubstantiated claim when he said it. It's not just the figure that was false but also the spin.

I wouldn't be so sure.
There are three sources listed in the article:
- Schulz having spoken to a Palestinian child (not very reliable)
- An Israeli official and data from 2006 (not very reliable and very dated)
- An Israeli human rights organization with a report from last month (does anyone know anything about these guys?)

Maybe you have info that the writer of this article does not posses, but these sources on their own are not enough to make either claim.
And also I seem to recall a Dutch water company cancelling it's co-orporation with Israel because they would be required to supply water to the Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory.

[sumskilz]

I wouldn't be so sure.
There are three sources listed in the article:
- Schulz having spoken to a Palestinian child (not very reliable)
- An Israeli official and data from 2006 (not very reliable and very dated)
- An Israeli human rights organization with a report from last month (does anyone know anything about these guys?)

Maybe you have info that the writer of this article does not posses, but these sources on their own are not enough to make either claim.

The false impression that is created is that there is some sort of rationing policy that gives Palestinians less, which is not the case.

The difference in the figures is that B'Tselem is not talking about personal consumption but per capita consumption. Because most water is used for agriculture and industry, and Palestinians especially in Gaza have a lot less agriculture and industry, then of course they use less per capita. The Palestinians also have a lot of private cisterns to collect water off the grid so that won’t be tracked by any figures. I bet you will also find that wealthy Israelis use more water than poorer Israelis, but there is no insidious policy behind that either.

EDIT: This is interesting, if accurate. It seems a lot of Palestinian communities aren't even connected to the system and others loss something like 30% to theft and defective pipes. http://www.btselem.org/water/statistics

What does the PA do with all that international aid? You'd think running water would be high on the priority list.

[Greymane]

The false impression that is created is that there is some sort of rationing policy that gives Palestinians less, which is not the case.

The difference in the figures is that B'Tselem is not talking about personal consumption but per capita consumption. Because most water is used for agriculture and industry, and Palestinians especially in Gaza have a lot less agriculture and industry, then of course they use less per capita. The Palestinians also have a lot of private cisterns to collect water off the grid so that won’t be tracked by any figures. I bet you will also find that wealthy Israelis use more water than poorer Israelis, but there is no insidious policy behind that either.

That is why I didn't draw a conclusion from the report of B'Tselem. I also noticed what you are talking about.
But this leads to another question (and a little off topic perhaps): why is Israeli industry on Palestinian soil?

Also, this Dutch company I spoke of (Vitens) that pulled out of the deal with Mekorot probably knows more about what is going on there than we do.

[Mangalore]

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Well, it's actually the facts that disagree with Shultz and he admitted he was repeating an unsubstantiated claim when he said it. It's not just the figure that was false but also the spin.

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He used a god damn example of having talked to someone who sees himself unjustly treated as a rethoric device. It was not meant to be his foolproof evidence!



Overall I think using the Nazi card aside the fact is that the EU has taken a firmer stance against Israel's continued settlement program and as a EU guy Schultz didn't shy away from bringing up the issue even in the Knesset.

That's probably the main reason those MPs left. The EU has classified their party program as illegal and slapped sanctions on goods produced in settlements and there might be an extension of such sanctions in the future.

[Kraut]

as a EU guy Schultz didn't shy away from bringing up the issue even in the Knesset.

This fact should be pointed out: there was a EU guy talking for the EU and forwarding EU criticism... he just happens to be German.

[athanaric]

Yeah, Jewish Home are just about the same as the NSDAP in terms of policy and ideology, so why take them seriously?

Ah yes, because they are committing genocide as well, right?

No, but he was a representative of Israel. And the other MPs stormed out of the chamber as well.
Also Netahanyu denies Schulz' claims, so I think it is safe to assume this was not just the one guy disagreeing with Schulz.

Maybe that was because Schulz was talking out of his arse, as he is wont to.

[King Gambrinus]

Ah yes, because they are committing genocide as well, right?

Neither were the NSDAP in their early years. Jewish Home don't have the means to carry out their agenda yet but we know for a fact they the Jewish people to be a more civilised race than Arabs and cling on to an idea of Jewish destiny that sounds worryingly like Germany's supposed destiny in the 30s.

Do you get all your opinions from FOX news, athanaric. You seem to employ a black-and-white understanding of the world whereby all Jews are goodies and all Arabs are baddies. You do realise not every Jew is a democracy-loving peaceful citizen and every Arab is an Islamic fundamentalist.

The reality is that Israel for historical reasons has one of the most representative democracies in that region yet chose to elect a majority that favour expansionist/ultra-zionist foreign policies. What a great example of democracy in action, just like the Weimar Republic wouldn't you agree?

[sabaku_no_gaara]

People shouldn't hate on Israel, their very existence is wonderful revenge for the barbarians kicking our ancestors out of Outremer. and for the OPEC bleeding our wallets dry.


1,45 € to 1,50 € for a litre of gasoline is outrageous. Whatever the Arabs are suffering at the hands of Israeli (who are kind of European if you ask me), they deserve it

[Greymane]

EDIT: This is interesting, if accurate. It seems a lot of Palestinian communities aren't even connected to the system and others loss something like 30% to theft and defective pipes. http://www.btselem.org/water/statistics

What does the PA do with all that international aid? You'd think running water would be high on the priority list.

Not sure what you are trying to prove with this link. According the official sources, almost everyone has at least some running water, so the help organisations seem to be doing their job.
For the stolen water, three explanations can be offered:
- By Palestinians who don't have running water yet
- By the Israelis who use it for industry
- By either side, trying to make the other look bad.

People shouldn't hate on Israel, their very existence is wonderful revenge for the barbarians kicking our ancestors out of Outremer. and for the OPEC bleeding our wallets dry.


1,45 € to 1,50 € for a litre of gasoline is outrageous. Whatever the Arabs are suffering at the hands of Israeli (who are kind of European if you ask me), they deserve it

Not sure what oil prices have to do with the politics of the state of Israel...
And by your reasoning: the fact that Israel is not recognized by some Arabic countries is the perfect revenge for Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands...

[sumskilz]

Not sure what you are trying to prove with this link.

Incompetence that would be shocking if it weren't so typical.

why is Israeli industry on Palestinian soil?

That's a big off-topic debate, but how would you know what Palestinian soil is since both sides agreed in writing when they signed the 1949 armistice that the green line does not constitute a national border. Who were the last legal owners of the public lands? It certainly wasn't the Jordanian government that Israel took them from. Israeli industry is looking after their own interests, but the jobs they provide do more for the Palestinian economy than the PA seems to be doing, and its a lot easier for Palestinians to work there than to have to go through all the security checkpoints to work in Israel. SodaStream employs 500 Palestinians and pays them wages equal to Israeli wages which is a good deal because most things cost less in the WB.

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And by your reasoning: the fact that Israel is not recognized by some Arabic countries is the perfect revenge for Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands...

I think the revenge was driving almost a million Mizrahi Jews out of their countries.