Westeros: Total Roster Overhaul - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

**~~monotee~~** · February 26, 2014, 01:58 PM

Make a Stark unit with shields like this one:

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**AdmiralThrawn** · February 26, 2014, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by monotee

Make a Stark unit with shields like this one:

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Sweet! Where did you get that and is it open source? I could certainly try making that, but I'm skeprical it would look as good...

Originally Posted by Badger-dude

I would like to use a few of your units in Age of Kingdoms and potentially Fire and Blood. Combined with my own AOR units we would basically double the number available!

Sounds great to me! The whole point of this is to be a free resource for other submods to use

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**Bryce Caron** · February 26, 2014, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by SoulGamesInc

Indeed, far from every Ironborn would wear full plate armor and not all are so devoted to the old ways. The armor would likely be of better quality depending on the standing of the man in question...
As to the Drowned Men they are not an elite force of warriors but priests that wear robes and attack with clubs made of driftwood, so lorewise they would certainly not have accesses to full plate armor.

That's just my opinion ofc, i'm sure the skins will look very nice however you do them.

I quite agree with this, the Old Ways are dying in the Iron Islands. If we could see further into the future of Westeros, if it were still around I'd say more Ironborn follow Harras Harlaw's example and swear fealty to the Seven and are knighted.

**AdmiralThrawn** · February 26, 2014, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Gerold Dayne

I quite agree with this, the Old Ways are dying in the Iron Islands. If we could see further into the future of Westeros, if it were still around I'd say more Ironborn follow Harras Harlaw's example and swear fealty to the Seven and are knighted.

I agree. In fact I'm surprised the Old Ways even survived 300 years of Targaryen rule. I mean sure, there were times when raiding and human sacrifice took place (probably during civil wars and such), but it seems like the Targaryens would have kept a tight lid on that sort of thing.

Originally Posted by The Forgotten

I am not sure about how this works, but please make it so that the pikemen have no secondary weapon. If I remember correctly then this should prevent them from prematurely swapping weapons and becoming effectively useless. I know this was a huge pain with Arryn in KoRaH, and I really refuse to use them in battles because they lose their only real perk. Harlbards don't have this problem as far as i know.

Yeah, this is really easy to fix and yes, it cal be really annoying.

**The Forgotten** · February 26, 2014, 05:23 PM

I am not sure about how this works, but please make it so that the pikemen have no secondary weapon. If I remember correctly then this should prevent them from prematurely swapping weapons and becoming effectively useless. I know this was a huge pain with Arryn in KoRaH, and I really refuse to use them in battles because they lose their only real perk. Harlbards don't have this problem as far as i know.

**The Forgotten** · February 26, 2014, 06:00 PM

Perfect then. As for unit ideas I think a Dragonstone unit would add some flavor to things. Perhaps they could use halbards or be very strong men at arms with a unique look?

**AdmiralThrawn** · February 26, 2014, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by The Forgotten

Perfect then. As for unit ideas I think a Dragonstone unit would add some flavor to things. Perhaps they could use halbards or be very strong men at arms with a unique look?

Lol, the very first M2TW unit I created were exactly that! They weren't all that good, but I might just go back to that and improve on things.

**Bryce Caron** · February 26, 2014, 07:07 PM

That seems kind of silly to me, not a bad idea, but an un-founded one. Stannis is very limited as far as men go, he has few lords, and had to hire sell swords to augment his thin ranks. There isn't really a mention of any such unit existing, but such is the case with most of these units so far regardless. Hmm

**The Forgotten** · February 26, 2014, 10:32 PM

Then think of it as more of a household guard. From my point of view Dragonstone is a critical stronghold that is also a melting point of many cultures. We know from the beginning that it was used as an outpost, and so it most likely had a garrison of professional soldiers to guard it. As time went on the Targaryens came to hold it and it is known that Aegon landed one Westeros with 1,600 men. While I am sure a few of them were sellswords and such, many were probably the retainers of the nobles on the islands. Since most came from full or at least partial Valyrian descent I would think that they would hold a little bit to how their ancestors fought and even though they might not be specialized troops, they would be unique to any other Westerosi men. And since the islands are small, training would be heavily scrutinized by the Lord.

That is my 2 cents. I am sure if what I said above was true, it would be a bit more similar to the other lords of Westeros than Aegon's time. However, Loras did have a very hard time taking the castle when only a few men held it. So as I said before, they at least were well trained. And it isn't like this is Third Age, where everything has to be completely canon.

**AdmiralThrawn** · February 26, 2014, 10:57 PM

For now I probably won't include a Dragonstone-specific unit as the one I made is rather armature (my first unit after all). I am, however, working on some interesting Targaryen units for Robert's Rebellion which I may later re-purpose as Dragonstone Guards.

Also, after some additional reaserch, I am changing my "Drowned Men" into "Drowned God's Chosen". I think this makes more sense for the feel I'm going for with the unit. My initial resistance to changing it was based on the fact I didn't do my research to begin with and was hesitant to throw away my work once they were almost done.

**Badger-dude** · February 27, 2014, 01:36 PM

In FaB I added in some pretty cool dragon stone guards, more to make Dragonstone an interesting settlement to capture.

I like the sound of changing the Drowned Men.... Btw, are you aware that drowned men already existed in several submods as a bodyguard unit?

**AdmiralThrawn** · February 27, 2014, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Badger-dude

In FaB I added in some pretty cool dragon stone guards, more to make Dragonstone an interesting settlement to capture.

I like the sound of changing the Drowned Men.... Btw, are you aware that drowned men already existed in several submods as a bodyguard unit?

I am only familiar with the ones using the Religious Rabble models from M2. Are there others with more complete models?

**AdmiralThrawn** · February 27, 2014, 11:56 PM

New preview up, enjoy!

BTW: I always post previews in the OP, but do you guys want them in the comments (other people post here sometimes)?

**Korpskog** · February 28, 2014, 12:31 PM

Cool! Cool,cool cool!

**Iron Aquilifer** · March 01, 2014, 04:13 AM

The Faction descriptions are the end of the Roster was an initial creation, before the Rosters themselves were slimmed down to a manageable size. That that in to consideration

**AdmiralThrawn** · March 01, 2014, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Stannis the Mannis

The Faction descriptions are the end of the Roster was an initial creation, before the Rosters themselves were slimmed down to a manageable size. That that in to consideration

Oops! Forgot to credit you on the rosters

. All fixed now.

**AdmiralThrawn** · March 03, 2014, 07:39 PM

Ok, so im gonna scale this back as i dont want to do work that will be made irrelevant as soon as 1.0 comes out. Still, the good news is you can expsct a release much sooner!