Westeros: Total Roster Overhaul - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

[Iron Aquilifer]

Aint the holy hundred just a bunch of hedgeknights under the leadership of Bonifer Hasty? More like a mercenaryband that should be scripted by an event then AOR Units :p since the fought for both Stannis and Joffrey

Still a unit not depicted
Honestly tho, aside from the crannogmen, these troop suggestions are made up... lore-friendly sure, but not any mention of them...
However even from the short description of the Holy Hundred, I liked them. Think it was the level of professionalism and unity they represented...Or something

Although really it was just a "alternative" bodyguard unit (for Hasty) who yes, would be scripted to bend the knee...more a selfish reason than a community thought....

More ideas:
What about some "proper" drowned men? That could be both script-related and AoR...
Some pike units? (lannister and stark especially) Since it is mentioned... not really vital but still an idea.
What about a Shield Island unit? (another watchmen unit ) Although for submods without a settlement on the islands they could just be recruited from Highgarden/Old Oak/Mercenary pool of the two?
Brave Companions? (Another unit that is always brought up but never done...because they are pretty generic)


I know this isnt a unit idea... but can you give an attribute to a foot unit to have cavalry movement on the campaign map? (to represent mounted archers/dismounted knights ect?)

[AdmiralThrawn]

Hey, so I am slightly altering this thread to now be a Total Roster Overhaul! If you have any thoughts on the changes I have planned please say so, I'd love to hear your feedback!

[Iron Aquilifer]

I think you should probably use youngbloods files instead of westeros 0.53...maybe stick in prophet's reskins first before editing the skins? (This way you can focus on certain units)
Unit sizes: prices will have to be edited (but they should be edited anyway)
Northern knights: while the north didn't have knights, they most certainly had heavy cavalry, and I personally feel that it isn't really represented solely by general retinues...
Free upkeep: depending on the troops you add/change, it should probably only be sworn swords/equivalent, household guards (and bodyguards) and the region's AoR which are free upkeep, as levies are not kept in castles during peacetime...and it represents the training, equipping and feeding of men who really shouldn't be there.
Castle recruitment: higher-end troops (knights/men-at-arms equivalent) should be avaliable to castles themselves...but the actual free upkeep should be set by the level of the barracks/stables/archery (mostly the barracks for realism)
Dornish Nobles: this was more to represent the different of warfare from the rest of westeros (or something) I still think they should have javelins...but maybe medium cav instead of skirmish..
increase the range of archers by ten (learned this from battleaxe) so that archers can fire one more volley before retreating...increase the AP of Crossbowmen (referred to countless times in the series)
Spearmen are the common troop amongst the commoners...I think there should be a fairly big different between the professional spearmen (men-at-arms) and levied spearmen (like that of Stafford's host at Oxcross)....definitely a higher-end spear unit for stark as they are spoken of by Tyrion when he fought on the flank....

[AdmiralThrawn]

I think you should probably use youngbloods files instead of westeros 0.53...maybe stick in prophet's reskins first before editing the skins? (This way you can focus on certain units)
Unit sizes: prices will have to be edited (but they should be edited anyway)
Northern knights: while the north didn't have knights, they most certainly had heavy cavalry, and I personally feel that it isn't really represented solely by general retinues...
Free upkeep: depending on the troops you add/change, it should probably only be sworn swords/equivalent, household guards (and bodyguards) and the region's AoR which are free upkeep, as levies are not kept in castles during peacetime...and it represents the training, equipping and feeding of men who really shouldn't be there.
Castle recruitment: higher-end troops (knights/men-at-arms equivalent) should be avaliable to castles themselves...but the actual free upkeep should be set by the level of the barracks/stables/archery (mostly the barracks for realism)
Dornish Nobles: this was more to represent the different of warfare from the rest of westeros (or something) I still think they should have javelins...but maybe medium cav instead of skirmish...

Thanks for the feedback! Where can I find prophet's reskinns, and are they open source?

As for the unit sizes, would the prices have to change? They are all incrementing by the same amount more or less so they don't change in relation to one another. As for the northern knights, I think the barrow Knights should do the job, but I may create another unit of northern heavy horsemen just to balance things out a bit more. As for the Nobles, I am thinking about removing nobles as combat units entirely (see my reasons in the OP), though I definetly plan on overhauling the Dornish roster to be more exotic.

[Iron Aquilifer]

As for the unit sizes, would the prices have to change? Barrow Knights should do the job, but I may create another unit of northern heavy horsemen just to balance things out a bit more.

I just personally think that the prices should be changed anyway and have had other work to do myself (not much knowledge of balancing)
I just think a generic cav unit is better than a single AoR (Stannis has brightwater Knights AND normal knights now...Riverlands have Riverlords, Riverrun knights, generic knights ect. And yes while "knights" are uncommon in the north, heavy cav is not (well...it is there)

Oh and to emphasis the Manderly's cultural differences from the rest of the north (and their power) I would probably request a manderly knight unit (referred to in the series)

It is a pity that Dorne is a very unknown land....usually this is ok as you can create what you want, but there is very little to go on: spears and guerrilla tactics..
maybe some javelin skirmishers...
knights of Dayne (one of the only heavily armoured units)
Raiders of the Dunes (half-naked warriors wielding spears/javelins/shields/swords)

Oh and for Dornish troops, either have them in medium armour or light armour...lots of flowing robes, scowls ect. ect.

[AdmiralThrawn]

I just personally think that the prices should be changed anyway and have had other work to do myself (not much knowledge of balancing)
I just think a generic cav unit is better than a single AoR (Stannis has brightwater Knights AND normal knights now...Riverlands have Riverlords, Riverrun knights, generic knights ect. And yes while "knights" are uncommon in the north, heavy cav is not (well...it is there)

Oh and to emphasis the Manderly's cultural differences from the rest of the north (and their power) I would probably request a manderly knight unit (referred to in the series)

It is a pity that Dorne is a very unknown land....usually this is ok as you can create what you want, but there is very little to go on: spears and guerrilla tactics..
maybe some javelin skirmishers...
knights of Dayne (one of the only heavily armoured units)
Raiders of the Dunes (half-naked warriors wielding spears/javelins/shields/swords)

Oh and for Dornish troops, either have them in medium armour or light armour...lots of flowing robes, scowls ect. ect.

That's the plan . As for Stannis, I'm thinking about removing the stables from Dragonstone. It makes little sense to me that there would be facilities to train mounted knights on a tiny island. As for Dorne, the Mountain Dornish can have heavy armor, as gureilla tactics don't really work in the Mountain Passes. The rest of then, though, I might edit along those lines. I don't really play skirmish armies all that much so I'm not an expert on the most interesting ways to build them. That being said, if anyone wants to help out in making some sweet Dornish units that would be awesome!

[SoulGamesInc]

Where can I find prophet's reskinns

Here - http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post11019125
I believe this is it, has been ages since i downloaded it lol.

[AdmiralThrawn]

Here - http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post11019125
I believe this is it, has been ages since i downloaded it lol.

Sweet, thanks! Do you know if they are open source?

[SoulGamesInc]

I'm sure Prophet wouldn't mind so long as credit is given etc. You can always VM/PM him to be 100% sure.

[Korpskog]

They are a free resource, prophet is a great guy and have been very helpful with both Winds of Winter and Wrath of The North when getting new skins into the game (I have zero talent for that) xD Just credit him and you should be fine! Also if you are looking for extra work you might include some of the skins he made for WOTN if they please you mostly vanilla units to represent the ones that will come in 1.0. Wolfswood hunters, Clansmen, Crannogmen etc.

[AdmiralThrawn]

They are a free resource, prophet is a great guy and have been very helpful with both Winds of Winter and Wrath of The North when getting new skins into the game (I have zero talent for that) xD Just credit him and you should be fine! Also if you are looking for extra work you might include some of the skins he made for WOTN if they please you mostly vanilla units to represent the ones that will come in 1.0. Wolfswood hunters, Clansmen, Crannogmen etc.

Interesting... I'm still not sure which northern units I'll be including, but I may take you up on that, thanks! I pm'd him, but he hasn't been online in awhile so I'll just proceed/give credit for now. Thanks!

[AdmiralThrawn]

Hey, so I'm thinking of giving the Drowned Men heavy armor. I know that isn't really an Ironborn thing, but I think it would work here because these religious zelots aren't all that afraid of drowning. Plus I think it would look cool on them . Any thoughts?

[SoulGamesInc]

They wear roughspun robes of mottled green, grey, and blue, the colors of the Drowned God. They carry driftwood cudgels to show their devotion in battle.
There is no mention of them wearing heavy armor nor do i think they would. Ironborn do wear heavy armor as they aren't afraid of drowning. It's not a Drowned Men thing tho, so it depends if you want to stick to the lore.

[Bryce Caron]

There are mentions of the Ironborn wearing medium-heavy armor. Not necessarily full platemail, but heavy mail and leather certainly. I certainly agree though that robes are best. They should be a zealous group of men who rely on their god more than armor and training.

[AdmiralThrawn]

There are mentions of the Ironborn wearing medium-heavy armor. Not necessarily full platemail, but heavy mail and leather certainly. I certainly agree though that robes are best. They should be a zealous group of men who rely on their god more than armor and training.

Perhaps, but here I'm inclined to make them more of an elite berserker unit rather than a rabble of fanatics. I will probably give them capes of the correct colors, but apart from that I'm going with some black plate armor. Should work out...

[Badger-dude]

I would like to use a few of your units in Age of Kingdoms and potentially Fire and Blood. Combined with my own AOR units we would basically double the number available!

[Drazule]

Isn't Victarion's use of full plate a relatively unique characteristic to himself? I gathered the impression that most Ironborn do not go to such lengths of devotion.

[SoulGamesInc]

Indeed, far from every Ironborn would wear full plate armor and not all are so devoted to the old ways. The armor would likely be of better quality depending on the standing of the man in question...
As to the Drowned Men they are not an elite force of warriors but priests that wear robes and attack with clubs made of driftwood, so lorewise they would certainly not have accesses to full plate armor.

That's just my opinion ofc, i'm sure the skins will look very nice however you do them.

[turkay98]

Soul can you tell me the general's bodyguard are silver in the sub-mod The Winds Of Winter?
BTW BIG STARK FAN AND ONE OF YOURS !

[Badger-dude]

Soul can you tell me the general's bodyguard are silver in the sub-mod The Winds Of Winter?
BTW BIG STARK FAN AND ONE OF YOURS !

Someone has either given them the wrong bodyguard type or not skinned them.