Ethnical cleansing of Muslims in CAR begins?!

[hellheaven1987]

International peacekeepers have failed to prevent the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in the Central African Republic, a human rights group says.

Militia attacks have led to a "Muslim exodus of historic proportions", according to a report by Amnesty International.

Aid groups have warned of a food crisis, as many of the shops and wholesalers were run by Muslims.

The UN's World Food Programme has started a month-long aid airlift.

The roads are too dangerous to transport food without a military escort, WFP spokesman Alexis Masciarelli told the BBC.

This is why the UN agency is taking the more expensive option of flying food in from neighbouring Cameroon.

The first flight carrying 82 tonnes of rice arrived on Wednesday, with a further 1,800 tonnes of cereal to follow in the coming weeks.

This is enough to feed 150,000 people but he said it was not enough as 1.25 million need food aid in the country.

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But the interesting part of the article is:

The roads are too dangerous to transport food without a military escort, WFP spokesman Alexis Masciarelli told the BBC.

Hire mercs then, what are you waiting for UN?

I don't know, consider the current chaos of CAR was caused by Muslim rebels first, I find it surprised that no one expects a purge against Muslim population would come once Christians are back to power, although a good relief is that the cleansing probably would be disorganized due to lack of central control, so it may not become massive mess like what happened in Rwanda two decades ago.

[Condottiere 40K]

Never pull off a coup and initiate ethnic cleansing, without studying the demographics first. Rwanda may be exceptional.

[hellheaven1987]

Consider Muslim population is about 15% of total, it may be safe to do it without serious social impact.

[Condottiere 40K]

That's what the Iraqis said.

[hellheaven1987]

That's what the Iraqis said.

Muslims purge Muslims is not interesting enough.

[Heathen Hammer]

That's what the Iraqis said.

I haven't heard of CAR having substantial oil resources, so I think they'll be in the clear.

[Condottiere 40K]

Unless Christians are sandwiched inbetween.

[white-wolf]

Any background?

[Condottiere 40K]

Although Iraqi Christians represent less than 5% of the total Iraqi population, they make up 40% of the refugees now living in nearby countries, according to UNHCR.^[151][152] In the 16th century, Christians constituted half of Iraq's population.^{[153][dead link]} In 1987, the last Iraqi census counted 1.4 million Christians.^[154] Following the 2003 invasion and the resultant growth of militant Islamism, Christians' total numbers slumped to about 500,000, of whom 250,000 live in Baghdad.^[155] Furthermore, the Mandaean and Yazidi communities are at the risk of elimination due to the ongoing atrocities by Islamic extremists.^[156][157] A 25 May 2007 article notes that in the past 7 months only 69 people from Iraq have been granted refugee status in the United States.^[158]

[hellheaven1987]

In Middle East it is hard to live if you are not a Muslim Arab, a Muslim Turk or a Muslim Iranian.

[Odenat]

In Middle East it is hard to live if you are not a Muslim Arab, a Muslim Turk or a Muslim Iranian.

oh, what about being one of Muslim Turk minority at Greece or Bulgaria ? What about being a Bosnian or Albanian at Serbia or vice versa ? What about being a gypsy at Italia ? What about being a Caucasian at Russia ? What about being a native american at USA ?

[athanaric]

I guess the morale of the story is: don't start ethnoreligious strife if you can't handle the backlash. Of course, the UN or some NATO members will now intervene on the behalf of the original aggressors, like they did in Kosovo.

In Middle East it is hard to live if you are not a Muslim Arab, a Muslim Turk or a Muslim Iranian.

Or if you're the wrong kind of Muslim. Or if you're a patriotic Kurd in Turkey/Syria/Iran. Or a patriotic Iranian... in Iran. Or just any kind of ethnic minority...

[Dracula]

Considering how much the muslims lie, it is probably the vice versa.

[Greymane]

Considering how much the muslims lie, it is probably the vice versa.

Exactly, because:
1) Muslims are a single ethnical group
2) All Muslims are automatically lesser beings because of their faith
3) All Christians are pedophiles because of what a few of them did
4) 'They started!' justifies everything
5) No one in Europe or the USA is in the least biased towards Muslims and no one has been in the last 1000 years
6) Christians are completely incapable of violence of any kind, so it is always the fault of the Muslims if they fight (and the Crusades are nothing more than anti-Christian propaganda from later times)

...

As Porus has been saying the whole time, can't we just be sympathetic towards the victims (regardless if they are slaughtered or 'just' deported)?
It's not like the shopkeepers fleeing the capital would have had much to do with the killing of Christians.
It would be hilarious, if it wasn't so sad, that when Christians are the agressors this is downplayed, while if Muslims commit crimes everyone goes: 'I told you so!'

[King_Porus]

All of the people laughing at this or dismissing it in this thread must be "silly people". Only ing Nazis would play genocide down as "they did it first". So what if Muslim rebels caused trouble in CAR, dos that give the Christians the right to massacre the innocents who had nothing to do with it? The ignorance on TWC is seriously frightening sometimes.

[athanaric]

All of the people laughing at this or dismissing it in this thread must be mentally handicapped. You're ing Nazis to play genocide down as "they did it first".

Wow, that's two cases for infraction in a single paragraph. Also, source for "genocide"?

So what if Muslim rebels caused trouble in CAR, dos that give the Christians the right to massacre the innocents who had nothing to do with it?

Maybe it's because it's always the same pattern, regardless if it's Asia, Africa, or Europe: Muslim minority of usually about 5% or more demands privileges => Muslim youth pillage, and murder and rape their infidel neighbours => "infidels" react with violence => international outcry
Seen in Burma, Yugoslavia, India, and any number of African countries.
Whereas when Christians, Hindus, Jews, Bahai, Zoroastrians, etc. are the target of repression and ethnic cleansing, nobody lifts a finger.

The ignorance on TWC is seriously frightening sometimes.

Yes, and don't forget the pompous self-righteousness of some.

[King_Porus]

Wow, that's two cases for infraction in a single paragraph. Also, source for "genocide"?


Maybe it's because it's always the same pattern, regardless if it's Asia, Africa, or Europe: Muslim minority of usually about 5% or more demands privileges => Muslim youth pillage, and murder and rape their infidel neighbours => "infidels" react with violence => international outcry
Seen in Burma, Yugoslavia, India, and any number of African countries.
Whereas when Christians, Hindus, Jews, Bahai, Zoroastrians, etc. are the target of repression and ethnic cleansing, nobody lifts a finger.


Yes, and don't forget the pompous self-righteousness of some.

Another quality post from athanaric ladies and gentlemen.

1. "Ethnic cleansing" is a euphemism for genocide, that is the methodical destruction of a certain group of people. Ex: the Muslims of the C.A.R.

2. Once again, nice argument of "they did it first". This thread is not about the ethnic cleansing of other religions/cultures, although I find that equally disturbing. Ethnic cleansing is bad, got it?

3. Apparently I'm self-righteous because I don't like it when a minority group is decimated by the majority and others laugh at it or have the gall to suggest it isn't actually happening. That's rich.

I suppose you believe that the Jews "had it coming" in 1940s Europe because they were "keeping the German people down"? Is it okay to laugh at the "ethnic cleansing" committed by the Nazis? Is it okay to suggest that it never happened? Why should this be any different?

Only scumbags and Fascists laugh when "ethnic cleansing" is committed against a minority or suggest that it didn't happen. The Christians who are committing these atrocities are just as bad as the rebels who supposedly started this mess.

[athanaric]

Another quality post from athanaric ladies and gentlemen.

Appealing to the public, we are?

1. "Ethnic cleansing" is a euphemism for genocide, that is the methodical destruction of a certain group of people.

Not necessarily. Pretty sure those are separate entries in any given dictionary.

Ex: the Muslims of the C.A.R.

Source?

3. Apparently I'm self-righteous because I don't like it when a minority group is decimated by the majority and others laugh at it or have the gall to suggest it isn't actually happening. That's rich.

No, you're being self-righteous because you explicitly call other members of this board "Nazis", "mentally handicapped", and "ignorant" for allegedly being cynical and all that. All of which is not only insulting, but pretty much impossible to verify.

I suppose you believe that the Jews "had it coming" in 1940s Europe because they were "keeping the German people down"?[...]

Godwin's Law.
Remind me again, where and when was it that Jewish gangs and militias started robbing and physically attacking other Europeans, like Muslim gangs did in the CAR and almost every other African country during the last few decades?

[King_Porus]

Not necessarily. Pretty sure those are separate entries in any given dictionary.

Ethnic cleansing: The killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society.
Genocide: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

Source?

The source is in the OP, buddy. That's the topic of this particular thread. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26150668

No, you're being self-righteous because you explicitly call other members of this board "Nazis", "mentally handicapped", and "ignorant" for allegedly being cynical and all that. All of which is not only insulting, but pretty much impossible to verify.

Those who think that is just and fair to kill innocent civilians are never completely right in the head. A normal person cannot and should not be able to justify it in their mind. I'm not going to water it down.

Obviously yes, if they belong a certain group, at least for some.

So you deserve to die for the crimes of your brother? I'm just going to stop trying to reason with you guys, have fun in your hateful world where the wholesale massacre of civilians is completely justified in your mind

[hellheaven1987]

1. "Ethnic cleansing" is a euphemism for genocide, that is the methodical destruction of a certain group of people. Ex: the Muslims of the C.A.R.

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory with the intent of creating a territory inhabited by people of a homogeneous or pure ethnicity, religion, culture, and history.

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Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

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People nowadays don't even bother to check the difference between "remove" and "destruction"...

Except for the French, no one really cares about CAR.

Hey, DR Congo cares please, especially the risk of other country's 15% Muslim population swarm into your territory, then pillage, rape and use your territory as their insurgency; one in Rwanda is enough, Congo does not need nor want another.