bows with strings, nothing new

**PurpleScotch** · October 06, 2006, 02:02 PM

In RTW bows had no strings, just the wood of the bow..however in M2TW, strings are added to bows..but look uglier and more stupid the bows without strings..here look at this pic:

Notice that the string doesnt get bent, atleast in RTW, you could imagine the strings being bent, but in M2TW the strings are as still as the bow itself..which is a bad move CA done.
However if someone finds a new screenshot with bent strings, he can post here, and this would be concidered a bug.

**Publius** · October 06, 2006, 02:12 PM

If it looks bad then we can mod them out. Simple as making a dot on the texture transparent. I dont mind this all that much though.

**mac89** · October 06, 2006, 02:12 PM

That is stupid, maybe they already released their arrows although I doubt it.

**PurpleScotch** · October 06, 2006, 02:22 PM

Its a good example of small things make a huge difference, this would encourage me to zoom out while my unit fires, lol

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Even in RTW you could make this bow, just add a string to the 3d model and thats all, thats what i meant by nothing new.

**Lord Kal** · October 06, 2006, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by killerxguy

Its a good example of small things make a huge difference, this would encourage me to zoom out while my unit fires, lol

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Even in RTW you could make this bow, just add a string to the 3d model and thats all, thats what i meant by nothing new.

Yeah, and then they wouldn't bend

**Publius** · October 06, 2006, 02:28 PM

The more I think about it, theres nothing the stop a good animator from making one of these animations. It would require a little reworking with the bones, and probably wouldnt be easy persay, but definently doable. Might be interesting.

**vikrant** · October 06, 2006, 02:37 PM

common CA is not tht ignorent
the screen must have been taken before or after the archer has released the arrow
so we cant see stretched string
but have a little faith in CA

**CIaagent11** · October 06, 2006, 02:43 PM

Heres another one where you cant see it.
http://static.4players.de/premium/Sc...482-medium.jpg
Same in the agincourt video. I try to keep on looking but cant confirm any now.
Why whould they not show it if strings could be bent?

**Reidy** · October 06, 2006, 02:47 PM

Three words: Beta version.

Come on guys, how hard can it be for CA to add the animation later on? Its not exactly an essential part required to run the game, so it will probably be put in near the end of development.

**CIaagent11** · October 06, 2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Reidy

Three words: Beta version.

He he he.
Its four words: Be taver sion.

You're probably right, by the way. (I mean with the strings and bows thing.)

**the_mango55** · October 06, 2006, 03:01 PM

possible that they have already released them.

Seems like pointless nit-picking to me.

Even if they don't bend, CA probably heard everyone complain about there being no bow strings, so they put them in, now we complain about them not bending?!

EDIT: btw, are those the Scots Guard? They look great!

**Beiss** · October 06, 2006, 03:07 PM

if the bowstrings do not bend, they might as well leave them out. It just looks stupid. I hope they'll fix that. Also, it'd be nice if the arrows were visible as they pull back the string and aim. That shouldn't require any extra cpu power - the arrows are visible in the air, mind you.

**the_mango55** · October 06, 2006, 03:11 PM

Bending would be unneccesary animation.

Plus you would have to have different animation skeletons for the different types of bows, since they aren't all the same shape and size.

You can say that they would look better with no strings, but you would be dead wrong...

**Beiss** · October 06, 2006, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by the_mango55

You can say that they would look better with no strings, but you would be dead wrong...

Having the arm pull back an invisible string is much better than having the hand pull back thin air and the string stays in the same position. I'm convinced this is just a beta bug, and something that will be fixed for the actual release.

**Pre** · October 06, 2006, 03:52 PM

Why would it be unnessisary? Who cares if they need new skeletons for different bows, its just skinning.

And well, did having spears poking through Phlanax shields anoy you?

**DougyM** · October 06, 2006, 04:04 PM

Simple choices.

Bow without string
Bow with string

Complain
Dont complain

Buy the game
Dont buy it

Mod it yourself
ask somebody else to do it

**Korinthos Hoplites** · October 06, 2006, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Knight_Yellow

Simple choices.

Bow without string
Bow with string

Complain
Dont complain

Buy the game
Dont buy it

Mod it yourself
ask somebody else to do it

Everything pretty much said, my choices:

Bow with string

Complain

Buy the game

Ask somebody else to do it :tooth:

**the_mango55** · October 06, 2006, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Pre

Why would it be unnessisary? Who cares if they need new skeletons for different bows, its just skinning.

And well, did having spears poking through Phlanax shields anoy you?

No, it isn't just skinning, its animation.

If you did any unit modding in RTW you will know what I mean by skeletons. There is a "bowman" and "mounted bowmant" skeleton that does the animations for all the bow units.

But if the bows bent there would probably need to be a "longbowman" skeleton, a "shortbowman" skeleton, a "recurve bow" animation, and a mounted version of each. Each having a different animation.

I can think of a thousand other things I would rather the developers spend time on.

**PROMETHEUS ts** · October 06, 2006, 06:16 PM

I like it , probably is a sinle plane with alpha ... make it divided and animate the vertexes and the cord will bend according to the animation desired .... as long as will be possible to modify the animations more than what was possible in RTW.....