Violent protests in Bosnia

[MarshallEdin]

Country of Bosnia and Herzegovina is for couple of days already experiencing social revolt in what many call Bosnian Spring. I am aware people in the west dont know much about my country but the short of it is that we have 13 governments in one country, 10 cantons that just take money. Unemployment is sky-high and politicians are corrupted as hell. That has led to a widespread rebellion. You can watch the news and see for your self. I only ask you to support in anyway you can our efforts. Spread the word.

[Vilkas09]

does this mean that soon we will have two new microstates in balkans: Free Republic of Bosnia and Democratic Republic of Herzegovina(or smt similar to this)? And then Free Republic of Bosnia decides to split into Republic of Bosland and Presidental Republic of Nia? And then... god, it will never end

Why you guys just didn't enjoy peaceful life in Yugoslavia?

I only ask you to support in anyway you can our efforts. Spread the word.

no worries lad. The white knights of A will come and bring the burning fire of democracy to your land. Amen.

[hellheaven1987]

Demonstrators in Bosnia-Hercegovina have set fire to government buildings, in the worst unrest since the end of the 1992-95 war.

Hundreds of people have been injured in three days of protests over high unemployment and perceived inability of politicians to improve the situation.

Police used rubber bullets and tear gas to quell unrest in the capital Sarajevo and the northern town of Tuzla.

Source

I heard Serbia is laughing now.

[alhoon]

Source

From that source:
"About 40% of Bosnians are unemployed.

I know the source is BBC.
I still call bullcrap on that. Unemployment can't reach those levels. It's unthinkable. Society would have melt before it hit that. Greece and Spain have like 27% and we're in the gutter, in life support by EU.

[Aru]

From that source:
"About 40% of Bosnians are unemployed.

I know the source is BBC.
I still call bullcrap on that. Unemployment can't reach those levels. It's unthinkable. Society would have melt before it hit that. Greece and Spain have like 27% and we're in the gutter, in life support by EU.

At least half of those people are working unregistered.

[Condottiere 40K]

I really don't see a way out, once the money supply stops.

[hellheaven1987]

I really don't see a way out, once the money supply stops.

The only way is to volunteerly become a province of Greater Germany.

[Aru]

Unemployed people and unpaid workers protest local government's corruption. I support.

...

Then football hooligans and other lowlives start attacking police, burning buildings and looting stores.

No, sorry, this isn't good at all. Sure, send out a message to politicians, but there is no real demands. Even if all levels of government resign, then what? You have elections and chose same people. Or you chose different people, but they turn out to be the same. Meanwhile, you pay for restoration of destroyed public property from your taxes.

You can't demand removing of cantons, making a new constitution and centralization. Serbs and Croats would actively stand against it. Unless Bosniaks are prepared for third entity, and most Bosniaks are against that.

So it's all in vain, just making a mess and more money loss. Only way the country can be restructured is if EU and USA force it, and they don't care or don't want to. Not yet.

So yeah... nothing to see here. Maybe one day when there is no one better to enter EU, they will start pushing for changes in BiH because it can't join in this unfunctioning form.
edit: Hopefully by then someone will still be living in BiH, as there is little to do for a living ther other than moving to Sweden, Germany, Croatia or Serbia.

[MarshallEdin]

Seventeen years peaceful protests were being held and nothing. Two days ago peaceful protests and nothing. Today, riots and burning and resignations left, right and center. They need to understand that people is the boss and they come from people. They need to be afraid of us and stop ruining this country. If they were doing their job the way they should, this wouldnt have happened

[hellheaven1987]

If they were doing their job the way they should, this wouldnt have happened

Right, ignore the fact that Bosnia is a resource-poor, no-specialist region that stucks in a recessive Eurozone.

[Ciciro]

Meh, who cares about what happens in Bosnia. I'm more worried about what's happening in Ukraine. That can actually affect a lot of people.

[stoogeofstooges]

Meh, who cares about what happens in Bosnia. I'm more worried about what's happening in Ukraine. That can actually affect a lot of people.

I'm sure the people in Bosnia care about what's happening in Bosnia, or anybody in neighboring areas.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

You can't demand removing of cantons, making a new constitution and centralization. Serbs and Croats would actively stand against it. Unless Bosniaks are prepared for third entity, and most Bosniaks are against that.

The way you say it implies that the Croats and Serbs are more of a burden for Bosnia. Then, why not allow them unite with their respective states, so that the Bosnians themselves can begin to follow their own policies without answering to anybody else?

[Antiochus Seleukos]

Unemployed people and unpaid workers protest local government's corruption. I support.

...

Then football hooligans and other lowlives start attacking police, burning buildings and looting stores.

No, sorry, this isn't good at all. Sure, send out a message to politicians, but there is no real demands. Even if all levels of government resign, then what? You have elections and chose same people. Or you chose different people, but they turn out to be the same. Meanwhile, you pay for restoration of destroyed public property from your taxes.

You can't demand removing of cantons, making a new constitution and centralization. Serbs and Croats would actively stand against it. Unless Bosniaks are prepared for third entity, and most Bosniaks are against that.

So it's all in vain, just making a mess and more money loss. Only way the country can be restructured is if EU and USA force it, and they don't care or don't want to. Not yet.

So yeah... nothing to see here. Maybe one day when there is no one better to enter EU, they will start pushing for changes in BiH because it can't join in this unfunctioning form.
edit: Hopefully by then someone will still be living in BiH, as there is little to do for a living ther other than moving to Sweden, Germany, Croatia or Serbia.

LOL! Definitely not.

[Aru]

Lets hope this would not become something similar as Croatian Spring, the prelude of Yugoslav Wars.

Not even remotely similar or possible to relate.

LOL! Definitely not.

Yeah, say that to 40% of population of Croatia born in BiH or of BiH origin families.

[Grobar]

Nothing to see here folks. Bosnian Muslims received large sums of money from the West and Arabic countries for the last 20 years. They spent them on building Mosques.
The real intent behind this revolution is to spread unrest and violence into Serbian republic, overthrow Serbian government and install puppet regime loyal to West which will dissolve Serbian republic and create Unitary Bosnia.
I hope Bosnian Serbs don't fall for this trap but rather make popcorn and watch Muslims destroying their own country.

[DarthShizNit]

Nothing to see here folks. Bosnian Muslims received large sums of money from the West and Arabic countries for the last 20 years. They spent them on building Mosques.
The real intent behind this revolution is to spread unrest and violence into Serbian republic, overthrow Serbian government and install puppet regime loyal to West which will dissolve Serbian republic and create Unitary Bosnia.
I hope Bosnian Serbs don't fall for this trap but rather make popcorn and watch Muslims destroying their own country.

Well it took 2 posts more than I expected, but it was only a matter of time.

[MarshallEdin]

Can you tell us what is going on?
What are the reasons? Does it include sectarian tensions?

The reasons are PURELY social- high unemployment, government corruption, many problems unsolved, politicians only minding their own pocket and dont give a damn about people, closure of factories, so on.
People are going to the streets and burning down cantonal government buildings, Bosnia has 10 cantons which are doing nothing but costing money. People want them dismiss cantons and leave it to two entities. That is all because of Dayton (dis)agreement which was pretty much a time bomb which is exploding right now. There is way too much violence at the moment but that is the only way to take the government down. But we want system to change, we want constitution to be rewritten because it is blocking our way forward.

[Treize]

The reasons are PURELY social- high unemployment, government corruption, many problems unsolved, politicians only minding their own pocket and dont give a damn about people, closure of factories, so on.
People are going to the streets and burning down cantonal government buildings, Bosnia has 10 cantons which are doing nothing but costing money. People want them dismiss cantons and leave it to two entities. That is all because of Dayton (dis)agreement which was pretty much a time bomb which is exploding right now. There is way too much violence at the moment but that is the only way to take the government down. But we want system to change, we want constitution to be rewritten because it is blocking our way forward.

But would the solution be? I take it you are a Bosniak?
A unitary state? Unitary states are overrated, especially if you have a country with different groups. It is better to keep different linguistic/religious groups seperated, as is done so succesfully in Switzerland for example.
If you have a unitary state the minorities will always complain (wether or not this is justified) about discrimination.

You could break up the local governments, Bosnia does not have a huge population but keeping the three entities for Serbs, Kroats and Bosniaks seems to be absolutely neccesary if the country wants to have a future.
But then again, would it not be better to split up the country?

What should happen?

[MarshallEdin]

But would the solution be? I take it you are a Bosniak?
A unitary state? Unitary states are overrated, especially if you have a country with different groups. It is better to keep different linguistic/religious groups seperated, as is done so succesfully in Switzerland for example.
If you have a unitary state the minorities will always complain (wether or not this is justified) about discrimination.

You could break up the local governments, Bosnia does not have a huge population but keeping the three entities for Serbs, Kroats and Bosniaks seems to be absolutely neccesary if the country wants to have a future.
But then again, would it not be better to split up the country?

What should happen?

Entities will stay, serb republic and Federation of B&H will be the only two governments. As for croats, Federation's full name is Bosniak-Croat federation, so it is as Croat as it is Bosniak. No need for a third one. Without cantons we can and have to live.