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    It appears a commercial that aired during the 2014 Superbowl has stirred up a lot of controversy. The very idea of different languages singing this song has made #boycottcoke a huge trend on twitter.

    I believe this to be just plain dumb. While I do think you should know English when you enter the U.S., Coke is a global corporation and is attempting represent that. This may have been a huge blunder for Coca Cola considering that they may have just alienated half the country. What do you guys think?

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    I stay away from soft drinks, except maybe as a mixer at times. It's just high fructose, carbonated water.

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    These are the same idiots who complained about the Cheerios commercial. Pay them no mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronBrig4 View Post
    These are the same idiots who complained about the Cheerios commercial. Pay them no mind.
    And the same people who freaked out when Miss America was Indian-American. Seriously, people who dislike immigration, diversity, and multiculturalism have no business living anywhere near America or Canada. It's like they don't understand the point of the New World. Since we've "dealt with" the Native Americans, the entire continent is a land built by immigrants for immigrants, no matter what colour or culture.

    I actually saw a comment on the Youtube video that said "Why should we accept these people into our culture, would we have accepted Hitler into our culture?" The stupidity hurts

    Probably the best commercial to come out of the Super Bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King_Porus View Post
    And the same people who freaked out when Miss America was Indian-American. Seriously, people who dislike immigration, diversity, and multiculturalism have no business living anywhere near America or Canada. It's like they don't understand the point of the New World. Since we've "dealt with" the Native Americans, the entire continent is a land built by immigrants for immigrants, no matter what colour or culture.
    To be honest, I understand why so many people get their panties in a bunch when it comes to immigration. A lot of immigrants that are currently coming to the U.S. are unskilled and taking jobs for lower wages than normal Americans. This has happened many times in the history of the U.S., first it was the Irish/Germans coming over and working for pennies a day, then the Italians and Slavs, and now we have Hispanics and Indians. It's just a repeating cycle that anyone who has studied U.S. history would know. Next Eskimos will probably be taking jobs from the Hispanics or some crazy crap like that.

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    I did not think America had the same sort of problems with multiculturalism as Europe does.

    My beef with multiculturalism is ghettoisation.



    In my local town there is a section (the west end) where a great deal of the signs are in arabic, most of the speakers are in arabic or another language and it creates its own sense of gravity towards it as it sucks more people in when they move because lets face it, strange country and you aren't so good at the language or you just flat out prefer speaking the language you think in of course you go where you know. And this is fine it isn't the biggest problem in the world when second and third generation immigrant descendants are as English as the next guy whatever colour. The only time I'm troubled is when you get traditionalists who think that you must speak Arabic to be a true muslim (can't say I've ever seen that proscription, don't think its really a thing) and they want to create a culture within a culture that don't share values and absolutely abhor integration in a form of racism and prejudice against people that aren't from their country and in the case of one group, you aren't the right type of muslim. Ahmedi muslims in the UK are particularly in trouble and have been here and Pakistan since 1974.

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    This multiculturalism I can't stand. It is almost always the extremists and traditional patriarchs who demand strict family, ethnic, religious and linguistic adherence to their traditional group to the exclusion of others. Something most common amongst Indian and Arabic groups but again I stess only amongst the old fashioned extreme folks. There is a fair few of them around but education beats their ass every time.

    But the other type of just people grouping with what they are familiar with is absolutely natural and happens wherever you go in whatever country and is almost always just the first generation and often not even then. Integration is good and can be encouraged.

    I am guessing in America this is mainly a Spanish/Mexican thing? I can only imagine this will only ever be a problem on a generational basis and also the values are quite compatible and they might even improve your food

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    It honestly infuriates me this infuriated others. How dumb do you have to be to get that worked up over it?

    "DURRR IN AMERICA WE SPEAK ENGLISH!" despite there being no official language and nobody's ancestors being forced to learn any form of Native tongue.

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    It honestly infuriates me this infuriated others. How dumb do you have to be to get that worked up over it?

    "DURRR IN AMERICA WE SPEAK ENGLISH!" despite there being no official language and nobody's ancestors being forced to learn any form of Native tongue.
    They may not have literally been "forced," but you were expected to learn English, my great-grandparents were punished in school for not speaking English. I don't agree with that, but a standard language is one of the bare minimums for a functional society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsunegari View Post
    They may not have literally been "forced," but you were expected to learn English, my great-grandparents were punished in school for not speaking English. I don't agree with that, but a standard language is one of the bare minimums for a functional society.
    No, I agree that there should be a common language, but I'm talking about these asshats who can't appreciate the real message behind an ad like that, about how America is beautiful because of our diversity. Of course then we go around acting like you're trash if you dare not be the same as everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    I did not think America had the same sort of problems with multiculturalism as Europe does.

    My beef with multiculturalism is ghettoisation.



    In my local town there is a section (the west end) etc
    Meanwhile in the west end of the country



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    You can't figure out how a country of 375 million people might have a few asshats online saying hateful things because they can?

    Have you been to youtube comments before?
    A fair observation, for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Meanwhile in the west end of the country





    A fair observation, for sure.
    What you mean Wales a different country with its own language which they want everyone to speak ideally along with English as a matter of pride. Thanks for reinforcing my point. Also all of those welsh speakers to the last one will also speak perfect english. The idea that it is a good idea or preferable that living in a country speaking the common language and governments encouraging that is so god damned obvious that if you don't get it I really don't know what to say.

    I'm guessing I peaked the hypersensitive Mongrel EDL radar with my post but guess what pal, married to a Thai, spending time in Thailand I learned god damned Thai. Because it is what you do. You don't move to Spain and keep speaking English and buying the Daily Mail and the ghettoisation and fragmentation of local communities into different language groups and cultural groups with different values is problematic.

    How are we going to integrate immigrants into British society, so that they participate fully in it, sharing and respecting its values? That question is even more pertinent today than it was in 1984, when Ray Honeyford, who died last week, first raised it publicly.
    Immigration from non-EU countries has increased enormously in the last 30 years. It has been running at more than 100,000 a year for a decade. But by no means all of the new arrivals, many of whom come from what are categorised as ethnic minorities, have found it easy to adopt British values.

    Labour ministers, as they dismantled almost all immigration controls, imagined that there would be no problem about integration. They thought the only issue would be racism from the local population. That was a mistake. Some of the arriving groups have deep commitments to religious views that place women in a subordinate position, and which lead them to think that practices such as homosexuality are an abomination that should be severely punished.
    Values that most of us would think of as essential elements of being British – tolerance, recognising the importance of equality before the law, or even the primacy of democratic elections as the way of deciding who should govern – have not been accepted by a significant minority of immigrants. Some even wish to cut themselves off from liberal and tolerant Britain completely. They hope to perpetuate their own religious values by having their own education system.
    Does it matter? The doctrine of “multiculturalism” says it does not. In the 1980s, multiculturalism’s high noon, Bradford city council adopted a policy that declared that every section of the “multicultural, multiracial city” had “an equal right to maintain its own identity, culture, language, religion and customs”. That was precisely what alarmed Ray Honeyford. He saw it as creating a divided Britain, where different communities did not interact with each other and all sense of a common identity was lost, replaced by a Babel of languages and conflicting cultures.

    Almost every serious politician now recognises that Honeyford was correct to maintain both that multiculturalism is a recipe for the segregation of communities and that it would work against the development of a single set of basic values that could bind members of British society together. But while multiculturalism may have been abandoned as government policy, its legacy is everywhere.
    Its principal effect has been to harden dividing lines between ethnic groups. This is not just a matter of whites living in different areas from non-whites, but also of (for example) Pakistanis living in one neighbourhood, Bangladeshis in another, Sikhs in a third, and so on.

    The highest levels of segregation recorded anywhere in the UK are those between Indians and Pakistanis in towns in the north of England. Those towns also exhibit a markedly higher degree of segregation between blacks and Asians than between whites and blacks. This suggests that the explanation for the division is not white racism, but rather the lack of a common culture that would allow different groups to share anything significant. The isolation of communities helps to perpetuate beliefs and practices that are opposed to British values.
    But ministers, judges, and officials are reluctant to insist that the first condition of British citizenship for any immigrant should be to adopt British values – such as speaking English, accepting all citizens’ equal rights, and recognising that the only procedure for deciding on legitimate political authority is free elections to Parliament.

    As we dither on this, multiculturalism continues its divisive work. And it will soon be too late to do anything about it: Britain will have permanently fractured into factions united by nothing except mutual incomprehension and antipathy.
    It is recognised almost universally that different languages, cultures and segregated communities are a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    No india is a country and I meant India and Indian people.

    This is your cue for some nationalistic defence, no your people are perfect! Or how dare you generalise about a subcontinent!

    Yeah get over it, this country I am in has dickheads too and dickheads that were born here. It turns out immigrants can also be dickheads. Some areas generate more of a particular type of dickhead than another. Turns out not many immigrants are racist football hooligans. But there are dickheads of every stripe and one of the traits I am discussing is highly prevalent in my experience in various Indian communities.

    No, no, the expatriate Indian community in general is quite adept at becoming a part of the mainstream culture of the country they are located in. Indians certainly aren't ghettoized to a large extent as some other communities, at least not like the one you gave above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankbustaz View Post
    No, no, the expatriate Indian community in general is quite adept at becoming a part of the mainstream culture of the country they are located in. Indians certainly aren't ghettoized to a large extent as some other communities, at least not like the one you gave above.
    yeah right.

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    One of those manufactured outrages done by mass media. It's an amusing distraction to get the masses at eachothers throats and add fuel to the culture war.
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    It was painful and hilarious to watch those Tweets at the same time. First, they were saying how its disrespectful to sing the national anthem in other language... I take it they realized the retardation of such tweets that they switched to saying that it was disrespectful to sing a song about U.S.A. in an other language...
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    They've definitely cornered the convenience store and motel industries here in the states, see the 2nd definition of "Patel" in urbandictionary.com .

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    I find it funny when people get outraged over these type of things in a country built on Immigration from various cultures.

    On the topic of language, a national language is a good thing though it doesnt mean it has to be the ONLY language spoken by a nation.

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    What I love about the internet is now "youtube" level commentary is now considered newsworthy outrage.
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    See and here I thought that was probably the best add during the Super Bowl.

    Of course I'd already seen most of the funny stuff this year because companies are retarded now and release them early.

    I don't understand people who don't grasp the "we are the world" school of American nationalism. English is no more American than it is European. It's no secret what language people around the world generally talk when they have to cross language barriers. On the other hand because people know English the fact people can also speak secondary languages is cool.

    The Revolutionary and Civil Wars were won by people who couldn't speak English. Not speaking English is as American as apple pie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post

    The Revolutionary and Civil Wars were won by people who couldn't speak English. Not speaking English is as American as apple pie.
    Well....no. The revolution was won when the U.S. was almost completely of British descent. The Civil War was won by the Irish who fled Ireland during the Potato famine and they spoke English.

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